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| We will see.
I think Axiom has already committed too much money towards the project for them simply to walk away. But time will tell.
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| We have heard all his before, and it's not Castleford stadiuim and castleford have not been given the green light, cannot see Axium building anything yet with no deal brexit car crash about to happen and stadium will probably be last thing to get built, they will want paying tenants earning them money first.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"We have heard all his before, and it's not Castleford stadiuim and castleford have not been given the green light, cannot see Axium building anything yet with no deal brexit car crash about to happen and stadium will probably be last thing to get built, they will want paying tenants earning them money first.'"
Agreed, Brexit is certainly causing uncertainty. But I still don’t see Axiom just walking away after such an investment.
You’re right in that it’s not Cas who have been given the “green light”, and I’m not sure that’s the term I’d use either.
It will, however, if built, be Castleford’s stadium and the club will own the freehold. And it won’t be the last thing built, if things stay as planned. But they might not.
Believe me, I’ve had enough of hearing about a new ground. I remember plans from the 1990s so I won’t believe it until a game actually kicks off there.
As you say, we’ve heard it all before.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"We have heard all his before, and it's not Castleford stadiuim and castleford have not been given the green light, cannot see Axium building anything yet with no deal brexit car crash about to happen and stadium will probably be last thing to get built, they will want paying tenants earning them money first.'"
The agreement to let Axiom build the retail park requires that the stadium is completed and handed over BEFORE any of the retail units can open.
Quote ="nottinghamtiger"We will see.
I think Axiom has already committed too much money towards the project for them simply to walk away. But time will tell.'"
At some point they would have decided enough is enough and likely looked to recoup some of their spend by selling the land on, most likely to a house builder. Someone has authorised that amount of money to be spent (much more than they would have budgeted for to reach this stage I'd imagine) and I suspect has had a squeaky bum for some time now. Or, one or more of the retailers signed up early would have said enough is enough and pulled out. The M&S store is part of their strategic plan that they want in place by 2021-2 and I'd be very surprised if they weren't already looking at alternatives if the delay went on too much longer. One fly in the ointment may be that build (labour and raw materials) costs will have risen, and may rise even more significantly in the next few months, since the project was first costed.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Agreed, Brexit is certainly causing uncertainty. But I still don’t see Axiom just walking away after such an investment.
You’re right in that it’s not Cas who have been given the “green light”, and I’m not sure that’s the term I’d use either.
It will, however, if built, be Castleford’s stadium and the club will own the freehold. And it won’t be the last thing built, if things stay as planned. But they might not.
Believe me, I’ve had enough of hearing about a new ground. I remember plans from the 1990s so I won’t believe it until a game actually kicks off there.
As you say, we’ve heard it all before.'"
I would like to see it happen as I would all the clubs persuing new or ground redevelopments, and as Cas are my local team( but I don't support them) it's a boost for everyone in the area, but It would be optimistic if they were in a new stadium this side of 2025.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"I would like to see it happen as I would all the clubs persuing new or ground redevelopments, and as Cas are my local team( but I don't support them) it's a boost for everyone in the area, but It would be optimistic if they were in a new stadium this side of 2025.'"
It's not a boost for the local town centres which will get another nail in their coffin when/if this goes ahead.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"It's not a boost for the local town centres which will get another nail in their coffin when/if this goes ahead.'"
Castleford town centre can go for me.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Castleford town centre can go for me.'"
Ah, the good old British 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.....
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"Ah, the good old British 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.....'"
I’ve just been to Castleford town centre.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"Ah, the good old British 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.....'"
Jeez Cas town centre has been dead for years and Ponte not much better phone shops vape shops markets all but finished. Whether this goes ahead or not, they won’t recover.
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"The agreement to let Axiom build the retail park requires that the stadium is completed and handed over BEFORE any of the retail units can open.
At some point they would have decided enough is enough and likely looked to recoup some of their spend by selling the land on, most likely to a house builder. Someone has authorised that amount of money to be spent (much more than they would have budgeted for to reach this stage I'd imagine) and I suspect has had a squeaky bum for some time now. Or, one or more of the retailers signed up early would have said enough is enough and pulled out. The M&S store is part of their strategic plan that they want in place by 2021-2 and I'd be very surprised if they weren't already looking at alternatives if the delay went on too much longer. One fly in the ointment may be that build (labour and raw materials) costs will have risen, and may rise even more significantly in the next few months, since the project was first costed.'"
Similar thing with Newco at wakey, but they just said not building it now, and just said sod off. Honestly cannot see it ever getting built and if it does pretty sure it will not be the freebie Cas think it will be.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Jeez Cas town centre has been dead for years and Ponte not much better phone shops vape shops markets all but finished. Whether this goes ahead or not, they won’t recover.'"
Exactly this.
I walked through the town centre a few weeks ago when I went to a game and couldn’t believe the decline. It has never been posh, but it’s now just awful.
It might reflect some other towns, but the number of people slumped over benches as a result of “spice” was staggering.
Cas town centre is already dead as a positive place to go. If a new stadium kills it off, then it can’t happen quickly enough.
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| Well maybe you look at your own environment with critical eyes. I live in east Leeds and pop over to cas frequently. I don't recognise the wilderness and decline being described at all. The only reason I go is because it's a tidy town centre, has the junction pub and the locals are friendly.
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| I cant believe its taken Cas this long to only get this far especially seeing as we are gettin a new stadium in Bradford from start to finish in 2 years time.
What on earth have they been doing at Cas for the last god knows ow many years?
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| Quote ="RagingBull"I cant believe its taken Cas this long to only get this far especially seeing as we are gettin a new stadium in Bradford from start to finish in 2 years time.'"
Yeah - good luck with that.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Similar thing with Newco at wakey, but they just said not building it now, and just said sod off. Honestly cannot see it ever getting built and if it does pretty sure it will not be the freebie Cas think it will be.'"
It's not a freebie, it costs a quid
It's also nothing like the Wakefield situation, there is no Trojan Horse stadium and massive holes in the s106 - the shopping centre cannot open until the Stadium has been sold for that £1. I'd wait and see on something more official though on the trigger point being reached because Phil Caplan talks nothing but crap.
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| Quote ="RagingBull"I cant believe its taken Cas this long to only get this far especially seeing as we are gettin a new stadium in Bradford from start to finish in 2 years time.
What on earth have they been doing at Cas for the last god knows ow many years?'"
Not getting themselves bailed out by the rfl. That’s what they have been up to.
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| Quote ="RagingBull"I cant believe its taken Cas this long to only get this far especially seeing as we are gettin a new stadium in Bradford from start to finish in 2 years time.
What on earth have they been doing at Cas for the last god knows ow many years?'"
Not going bankrupt.
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| Quote ="Towns88"Not going bankrupt.'"
Thanks to the kindness of Warrington........
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