Leeds won the competition, i follow leeds, for the majority of the year they were awful to watch. How does that work? Surely id say it was a great season if that were true?

I have a very good comprehension of the game (my evidence for which ill not get into), and the standard overall was poor with the game on the whole less attractive to watch. Now this does not in any way discredit cas before they bottled it and the likes of wakefield who had great season. Its not just me, the general consensus is that the standard has dropped.

Now in your reply, try control your emotions.

To be honest, it'd take a massively deluded person to sit there and say that the standard of the league hasn't dropped in the last few season.

However, that doesn't make it any less exciting.

Leeds-wise last season was a ball compared to the one previous which I think most would agree was a far greater shock to us fans. Also, last season, there was one rather important game where we most certainly were allowed to parade around the pitch unchallenged



That said, Cas, Wakey and some of the others really played some good stuff last year. I for one hope they step up again - especially if it's at the expense of the bigger sides west of the Pennines

Saints
Wigan
Warrington
Catalans
Hull FC
Leeds
Widnes
Hull KR
Salford
Castleford
Huddersfield
Wakefield

SL - Saints
CC - Saints

Out - Wakefield
In - Toronto

Regards

King James

lol@Vastman.

Salary cap - Dumbing teams down to the level of wakefield since 1999.

The sooner the cap gets raised so moneybag teams like Leeds, Wigan, Hull, Saints and Warrington can spend spend, the sooner the standard of SL will increase. Instead we have to put up with a cap limit of peanuts so the likes of Wakefield and Huddersfield dont go bust.

Regards

King james

Shows how much you know when Huddersfield have one of the wealthiest owners in the game...

Your league prediction just shows you up for the troll you are.

Christ considering how "small" and "insignificant" Wakefield are, Printer talks about them more on here than Vastman.

Amazing when you consider we don't spend up to the cap or have any marquee players - yet another really poor effort old love.

What a patronising git - there was some great RL played last season - sorry it wasn't you who was playing it but then we don't all watch the game through your myopic vision. What Wakefield's previous 'dross' seasons as you put have to do with it god only know.

I detest Cas but they played the best most open RL I have ever seen in SL last year, sorry if that twangs at your insecurities but it was simply better than anything I have seen previously in SL - live with it the world is not exclusively Leeds based, the fact that you so doesn't make it so (double patronise).

A general "consensus" amongst whom? Nothing to do with emotion seriously man get a grip it's the way you're suggesting you represent the "consensus". Now as someone who regularly chats to two SL coaches I can assure you they don't share you're "consensus" but I won't go into who they are blah blah blah



I've come to the conclusion Leeds fans are utterly insecure - you still frightened of slipping back to being the money bags laughing stocks you used to be?

Seriously Vasty, go and see an anger management therapist or something.

I'm not saying that there wasn't some good stuff played last season. I'm not saying that there weren't good games. But by the same token, there was some good stuff played at Stanningley last season, but that's not a reflection on the overall standard of the sport in this country. What I am saying is that that good play and those close games were fewer and farther between and that the standard of our league is falling behind that of other clubs and leagues. I believe that is due to Super League's inability to attract and retain the best talent.

It's got nothing to do with who I support although it's interesting that you only responded to the Leeds supporters, and not supporters of other clubs that claimed the standard had fallen.

You dont have to look far to see or hear peoples views on the games general decline. As someone whos first passion is with the game and not leeds, being a coach for 15 years id have preferred to see cas win last year and, i dont care who is in the 4 just that the standard of the game gets where id love it to be. Not being a dyed in the wool leeds fan id genuinly love to see a shake up with more teams competing at a high level.

But calm down, we dont agree with eachother and thats fine

Because most threads get taken over by Wakey fans it's unavoidable not to talk about them, they're the only ones on here crying foul at where some fans are placing them to finish.

Hull KR
Huddersfield
Catalans

All have finished top 4 and reached a CC Final in the last decade, Castleford also in 2014. You might want to act like this is the first time a "smaller" club has done well in decades and mixed it with the "big boys" but it happens more than you think and it doesn't bother the "big clubs".

Given Leeds strolled past Cas in the GF and smashed HKR in the 2015 CCF.......but edged past Wigan by 2 points in the 2015 GF that went down to the final play or lost a couple of CC's to Warrington.........then why would I prefer for Wigan, Saints and Warrington to be in the top 4 ahead of teams with little to no big match experience.

There you go again Printer with the complete hyperbole, show evidence of ALL those Wakey fans having a go at 'bigger clubs' and your various of other claims or stfu. I mean the one about the exiles team was when someone noticed Chorley John had put a number of Trinity players in and then suddenly changed it and a Wakey fan commented on it & took the mick. If that's evidence of Wakey fans getting upset it's weak sauce. As for Trinity fans dominating the VT

there's about 5 regular posters on here.
It looks to me that it's you and Vastman having a back and forth over the past couple of weeks and then make generalisations about a few thousand fans. You tried having a crack at me, when all I did is repeat what our owner said, which was that 2 other teams were interested in a couple of players, big deal but man you tried turning it into one.
I've personally said bugger all about any other club and couldn't give a flying bag of Whippet $hite if anyone thinks we finish last or doesn't like our shirt LOL, probably like 99% of all Trinity supporters but that won't fit with your agenda.

Anyway, you can say what you want about Trinity fans but it's a long time since I've seen anyone no matter what team come out with something as cringeworthy as this.

^^^^^^^^^^^

Typical Wildcats fan pretending their fans don't dish anything out and crying foul at getting some. Of course that quote at the bottom was a retort from a Wildcats fan but you conveniently ignore that

Like I thought, nothing but hot air and can't back anything he said up.

. Like I said if I'm a 'typical wildcat fan' as you put it go through my posts and quote them, along with all the others you were on about. Seriously dude you're boring and have become weirdly obsessed seemingly off the back of Vastman.
As for what Vastman said, it was 'They would if they knew what it meant in Wakefield - honestly you feel dirty after you've said it.' so no your comment was really something else, especially as your most likely a middle-aged bloke and that says a lot especially on this site. At first, I thought you were a genuine poster like you once was but as you've basically admitted you're now a Troll & have sunk to the realms of Lebron and Chorley John.

I'll leave you to it anyway, you've lost the plot mate.

Agreed, and I think both semi finals last year were great games.

Didn't realise I had to "back anything up" to appease the all mighty Wakefield fans. It's been there to see all over the VT and if you can't see it because of your Red, White and Blue specs then that's your problem.

Should I say SOME Wakey fans next time to appease you? You know it's not like Wakey fans generalise Leeds fans as "Whinos" or likewise for other clubs. Vastman generalises Leeds, Wigan and Saints fans and you don't say a damn thing so laughable you're having a go at me just because your precious club is the one getting the stick this time.

LOL usually when you make a load of claims and someone calls you out on them, especially when there are about 5 regular Trinity posters in the VT you should have enough about you to back them up, but I knew beforehand you wouldn't.

I can't believe your crying about posts from Vastman, it's not as if he hasn't always posted that way and although we've personally had disagreements his good posts far outweigh his wind ups. Think about how much crap has been chucked Trinity's way over the years and how many Trolls there's been. If I acted like you throughout that I wouldn't have time to do any normal RL related posting.

As for Vastman's comments, well, none of your Rhinos pals say anything to you either do they and you've basically admitted your trolling Trinity fans. No Saints fans say anything to Lebron, so what's your point.

I pick your comments out because unlike you I don't have a problem with any Leeds fan, in fact, I personally think there are plenty of Leeds fans that are excellent knowledgeable posters who really contribute to the site.
I personally don't troll but your replies at the most innocent Trinity fans post have become pathetic, & tbh as you probably know it's how I started to respond to you on here on the first place. They're full of bull and you generalise in just about every single one of them to try to make a point.

By the way, what do you think I should be having a go at Vastman about (there are enough Leeds fans to do that anyway), because he might have a different view on RL than me, yes he does sometimes so what, because he speaks off hand to people sometimes, that's his prerogative and he's hardly the only one. Ateotd I don't know him and he can look after himself.

Like I said your recent obsession or troll of Trinity fans posts is because you and Vastman have been having a back & forth, it seems to be nothing else so don't pretend it's anything else.

thinking about it forget it, I don't really want to know anymore, it will be just more hot air with no substance and it's pointless. You just crack on making a pratt of yourself, I knew there was a reason I hardly used to post on here.

Only one or two. But it doesn't help with the likes of you stirring it. I've got no problem with people placing Wakey at the bottom, it just makes the finish at the end of the season sweeter.

Giants 4-18 Wigan
Giants 12-36 Leeds
Giants 16-40 Saints
Giants 14-52 Salford

Think you're mixing us up with another club

1.Leeds
2.Hull Fc
3.Castleford
4.St Helens
5.Warrington
6.Huddersfield
7.Wigan
8.Wakefield
9.Salford
10.Catalans
11.Widnes
12.Hull KR

1.Saints
2.Cas
3.Warrington
4.Leeds
5.Hull
6. Wigan
7.Wakefield
8. Huddersfield
9. Catalan
10. Widnes
11. Salford
12. HKR

Though I've a feeling Wigan could drop out of the 8 with Catalan sneaking in

No you are doing yourselves a disservice there. Yes the cue went on the rack when top 4 became unachievable, but the second half of your season was really impressive. After the cup exit you took 19 points out of the next 30 available. That is really good, and there were some excellent results in the there.

In the same time frame Hull had 16 points, Saints and Leeds had 18 and the mighty Wakefield only had 18 aswell.

Hull had a similar year in 2015, where we were second from bottom at Easter and our form afterwards was top 4 form, but because we only only finished 7th no one really paid attention. The following year was Hull's best in a generation. I'm not saying you will quite do what we did in 2016, but I do quite fancy a good year for you.