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I don't specifically want any team out - other than the one who loses the requisite amount of games to deserve it.
In terms of impact on SL, Salford would probably be the easiest to take; their idiotic owner has done absolutely nothing to enamour the club to its supporters, and despite all his potential, I'm not sure that he's added anything of value to the sport.
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| Salford for me and not even close, they only have 3 fans all of which were falling over themselves to continuously tell us we were going down and chase would lead them to glory. even with a millionaire owner they offer nothing to the game. Youth development is disgraceful etc etc etc get Leigh in (who more than deserve another crack at SL)and Salford out and we have a better league  |
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| Quote ="Cas Till I Die"Salford for me and not even close, they only have 3 fans all of which were falling over themselves to continuously tell us we were going down and chase would lead them to glory. even with a millionaire owner they offer nothing to the game. Youth development is disgraceful etc etc etc get Leigh in (who more than deserve another crack at SL)and Salford out and we have a better league
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Really? We're we? All 3 of us? I don't recall saying anything of the sort but you know best.
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Quote ="Hillbilly_Red"Yes it would be: the most common statement on here regarding Salford (apart from the lie we do not develop young players) is that we have very few fans. It follows we have a small population from which the persons with sufficient wealth would appear.
(Cue comments telling supporters to put in a £1000 each; as usual we're generous with other people's money.)
There's a very good discussion on fan funded clubs here:
www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php ... 960&page=3
If the good Doctor walks, or if any businessman walks, that club is probably toast.'"
Some interesting comments, if slightly on the negative side.
The one recurring theme for me is the smaller clubs who are looking to and blaming the RFL for not bankrolling them with grants. How can they really expect to survive without a sustainable business model? It's like they expect that they deserve to be in existence just because, and it's someone else's fault if they're struggling. This is the big problem in the game, and for me, how better to solve it than engaging with the fanbase to get out into the local area and spread the word to build a genuine community club. You don't need money (or much at least) to do that, just a committed, organised group of people. Once you can get that in place and a club has genuine thriving roots, then that's where you're able to build a sustainable professional model to compete at the higher end of the game.
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Quote ="Hillbilly_Red"Yes it would be: the most common statement on here regarding Salford (apart from the lie we do not develop young players) is that we have very few fans. It follows we have a small population from which the persons with sufficient wealth would appear.
(Cue comments telling supporters to put in a £1000 each; as usual we're generous with other people's money.)
There's a very good discussion on fan funded clubs here:
www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php ... 960&page=3
If the good Doctor walks, or if any businessman walks, that club is probably toast.'"
Some interesting comments, if slightly on the negative side.
The one recurring theme for me is the smaller clubs who are looking to and blaming the RFL for not bankrolling them with grants. How can they really expect to survive without a sustainable business model? It's like they expect that they deserve to be in existence just because, and it's someone else's fault if they're struggling. This is the big problem in the game, and for me, how better to solve it than engaging with the fanbase to get out into the local area and spread the word to build a genuine community club. You don't need money (or much at least) to do that, just a committed, organised group of people. Once you can get that in place and a club has genuine thriving roots, then that's where you're able to build a sustainable professional model to compete at the higher end of the game.
It probably doesn't fit in with the demand society that we live in today, but that's the difference between doers and naysayers. | |
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| Quote ="Gadger"Genuine question, who has come through the cas academy in recent years?'"
I'll answer that one for you :-
Of the current squad regulars - Shenton, Lynch, Milner, Holmes, Massey, Boyle and Maher.
Players featured this season are - Ashley Robson, Tom Holmes, Keiran Gill, Brandon Westerman and Connor Fitzsimmons.
We are giving debuts this weekend to 2 more - Luke Million and Brandon Douglas.
We also have another "coming home" next year in Greg Eden.
So - this season that is a total of 14 academy products. Recent years (depending on what you regard as recent) is probably the same. |
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Any playing elsewhere?
It's not too different for us in terms of numbers, niall and the walne brothers regulars, lannon back in now, not sure why he was dropped! wood and Bibby also played a bit.
Connor wilkinson played against wigan, I think gee and wilkinson have played this season also.
Then elsewhere we have sneyd, theo, Turner, ratchford top of my head
That's 13. Although admittedly the standard of the players we still have isn't close to yours. We aren't very good at keeping our better players...
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I cannot fault your reasoning Newbridge Wolf and, if you base the choice on "a club has genuine thriving roots", then HKR has to stay up. Both Hudd and Salford suffer from round ball rivals; I deliberately typed "suffer". However you omit another sympton of the current milieu: the "instant coffee" expectation of people. Instant gratification in other words. So to succeed, you must succeed at once. People are not patient. That is an important factor when trying to get a community feeling. Once you have success, you can buy a little time with it (as Hudd has done) but it runs out. Putting the words success and Salford in the same sentence ... and I've being supporting them for over 50 years.
Of the three, HKR would survive best in Championship but I want none of us to go down.
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I remeber when I used to have nothing against Salford. They were a team of hard workers with the likes of Alker or players with a lot of potential and seemingly no means to keep them, Myler, Ratchford. The Willows was a quirky old ground, but the whole set up was honest.
Then the Doc came in and most things changed. You had a team of mercenaries, playing in a soulless ground (don't get me wrong understand you needed to leave the Willows). Obviously the Doctor lead some fans to have illusions of grandeur and hasn't helped anyone's perception by the way he's approached the game. Though it is kind of ironic that for most of this season he seemed to do everything right in terms of taking a step back, and when the ish hit the fan from his previous meddling he reverted to type.
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| Quote ="Newbridge_Wolf"Some interesting comments, if slightly on the negative side.
The one recurring theme for me is the smaller clubs who are looking to and blaming the RFL for not bankrolling them with grants. How can they really expect to survive without a sustainable business model? It's like they expect that they deserve to be in existence just because, and it's someone else's fault if they're struggling. This is the big problem in the game, and for me, how better to solve it than engaging with the fanbase to get out into the local area and spread the word to build a genuine community club. You don't need money (or much at least) to do that, just a committed, organised group of people. Once you can get that in place and a club has genuine thriving roots, then that's where you're able to build a sustainable professional model to compete at the higher end of the game.
It probably doesn't fit in with the demand society that we live in today, but that's the difference between doers and naysayers.'"
Are you serious ?
To raise the amount of cash needed to fill the void, if someone like Koucash walked away would be huge.
Part of the problem at Salford is the size of the fan base and quite frankly, it's just not possible to raise the necessary monies to sustain them in the top flight.
They are stuck with a very expensive stadium (rumored to cost them 60k per game) which is away from Salford itself and at this point in time they need someone with deep pockets
Even in SL they are losing money. This could only be worse IF they ended up playing in the Championship. |
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I sooner Leigh didn't get promoted to be honest.
I can't stand the coach or the owner.
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| Quote ="Hillbilly_Red"I cannot fault your reasoning Newbridge Wolf and, if you base the choice on "a club has genuine thriving roots", then HKR has to stay up. Both Hudd and Salford suffer from round ball rivals; I deliberately typed "suffer". However you omit another sympton of the current milieu: the "instant coffee" expectation of people. Instant gratification in other words. So to succeed, you must succeed at once. People are not patient. That is an important factor when trying to get a community feeling. Once you have success, you can buy a little time with it (as Hudd has done) but it runs out. Putting the words success and Salford in the same sentence ... and I've being supporting them for over 50 years.
Of the three, HKR would survive best in Championship but I want none of us to go down.'"
I understand you saying about football been a rival to Salford getting the kids interested early in Salford must be hard I don't think Hudds should have that problem there only competing with a championship side whereas we have another SL team to compete with and a premiership football club in the same city |
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| Quote ="Huddersfield1895"I sooner Leigh didn't get promoted to be honest.
=#FF0000I can't stand the coach or the owner.'"
Do you even know who our coach is this season?
If so I would love to know what your issue is with him?  |
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| Quote ="Gadger"Any playing elsewhere?
It's not too different for us in terms of numbers, niall and the walne brothers regulars, lannon back in now, not sure why he was dropped! wood and Bibby also played a bit.
Connor wilkinson played against wigan, I think gee and wilkinson have played this season also.
Then elsewhere we have sneyd, theo, Turner, ratchford top of my head
That's 13. Although admittedly the standard of the players we still have isn't close to yours. We aren't very good at keeping our better players...'"
As much as I hate Cas, their academy is (annoyingly) in a completely different league to Salford's. |
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"I understand you saying about football been a rival to Salford getting the kids interested early in Salford must be hard I don't think Hudds should have that problem there only competing with a championship side whereas we have another SL team to compete with and a premiership football club in the same city'"
football is king in hudds, as it is in the uk
football club top of the league and packing out the ground at the moment and sold over 15k season tickets
giants were playing infront of less than 500 in the 90's so still a big growth in support compared to other clubs... 80's-90;s a mossed generation of supports for us while other had big crowds in those years who still support and took kids who prob now go too, we started all over again but finishing bottom of the league all those years in sl late 90's early 2000's also lost us generations of fans |
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| Quote ="Gadger"Any playing elsewhere?
It's not too different for us in terms of numbers, niall and the walne brothers regulars, lannon back in now, not sure why he was dropped! wood and Bibby also played a bit.
Connor wilkinson played against wigan, I think gee and wilkinson have played this season also.
Then elsewhere we have sneyd, theo, Turner, ratchford top of my head
That's 13. Although admittedly the standard of the players we still have isn't close to yours. We aren't very good at keeping our better players...'"
I'm pretty sure these SL players came through the Cas academy: Joe Westerman (Warrington), Daryl Clark (Warrington), Jordan Thompson (Hull FC), Craig Huby (Hudds), Ryan Brierley (Hudds), Shaun Lunt (Hull KR), Richard Owen (Wakefield), Joe Arundel (Wakefield)
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| Quote ="jakeyg95"As much as I hate Cas, their academy is (annoyingly) in a completely different league to Salford's.'"
Aye didn't say it wasnt, just interested! I thought there must have been some at other clubs, can't believe I forgot about Clarke.
I don't think our academy is THAT bad, by no means great, but our ability to hold on to our talented youngsters is awful. |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Are you serious ?
To raise the amount of cash needed to fill the void, if someone like Koucash walked away would be huge.
Part of the problem at Salford is the size of the fan base and quite frankly, it's just not possible to raise the necessary monies to sustain them in the top flight.
They are stuck with a very expensive stadium (rumored to cost them 60k per game) which is away from Salford itself and at this point in time they need someone with deep pockets
Even in SL they are losing money. This could only be worse IF they ended up playing in the Championship.'"
That was in reply to a previous post questioning whether it would be better being a more community based club at a lower level where the fans can feel part of something, or the situation now where (from the outside at least) the club seems to be just about surviving with massive disconnect from the fanbase.
I don't think it's impossible to compete in SL (at the lower end at least) without a backer or big fanbase, but it would need some good people in charge and a good youth based setup. |
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| Quote ="Tigerade"I'll answer that one for you :-
Of the current squad regulars - Shenton, Lynch, Milner, Holmes, Massey, Boyle and Maher.
Players featured this season are - Ashley Robson, Tom Holmes, Keiran Gill, Brandon Westerman and Connor Fitzsimmons.
We are giving debuts this weekend to 2 more - Luke Million and Brandon Douglas.
We also have another "coming home" next year in Greg Eden.
So - this season that is a total of 14 academy products. Recent years (depending on what you regard as recent) is probably the same.'"
Larne Partick came through the Cas academy system too. |
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Larne Partick came through the Cas academy system too.'"
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A few more of Cas Academy players Olivier Elima (Dragons), Liam Watts (Hull FC), Adam Walker (Hull KR) and Matty Dawson (Leigh).
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big one today for hudds at leigh, win and we are on the way to retaining our status in sl
lose and we have to win our last two to avoid mpg
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So Huddersfield have decided they don't want to defend today.
Shocking performance in first half
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