Does this way to win include getting the benefit of a very dodgy call on the Webb bomb spill which 99 times out of 100 would be called a knock on and does it also include getting away with forward passes.

If the answer is yes, the "finding a way to win" in your world means the officials having a shocker in your favour and cheating the rules?

On that we'll have to differ. The SL side [ihas[/i enjoyed an advantage for several years, and until that changes the concept will always be flawed, and the achievement of winning it diminished.

I think it means picking one decision in isolation and pretending it and only it decided the entire 80minutes. Im not sure though, I think its possible ive confused that with codheaded jealousy from a team which hasnt ever been good enough to contest the WCC.

Then you overcome it. Its what professional sportsmen do.

If Manly were that much better, it being a little bit colder here isnt really relevent.

That can happen in any game though. Plenty of teams get lucky calls, but not all are good enough to take advantage of them.

Dear me. It's less to do with the weather and more to do with the travelling several thousand miles and not being match fit. How hard is that to understand?

And for the last time, it's not about Leeds or Manly, it's about the concept as a whole.

Are you trolling or just bitter?
The Webb bomb spill quite clearly went backwards. Take a look at where Webb touches the ball and where the ball hits the ground.
As for forward passes - there were just as many forward passes by Manly not penalised as there were by Leeds, despite Manly's unwillingness to spread the play.
To class the ref as having a "shocker in Leeds' favour" and Leeds as "cheating the rules" is frankly bizarre and I have to question which game you were watching. What I saw was raised elbows, holding down and several dangerous tackles from Manly go pretty much unpunished aside from a penalty.

Really enjoyed the game and the event of a whole.

The good thing about Headingly for is that you can move around the complex and don't feel confined to your seat.

Sadly I got stuck in a massive traffic jam after the game as apparently someone was run over. Does anyone know anything?

Also really enjoyed the Heinz challenge. My mate managed to get in the top 3 with a time of 8.1 seconds but didn't get a prize. Did anyone win a ball or any prize?

I managed 9.8 and didn't get anything



Didn't even know I could win anything until I saw this thread! Safe to say I had a few too many beforehand. Good sponsors though, hopefully they will get more involved after last nights success.

RE the game, Manly didn't deserve to win, if they didn't take it seriously then thats their problem, Leeds will have the Prize money and a trophy to boot. It's a shame that the Aussies treat the competition with little respect, and it serves them right when they get beat. I would love to see the match played at the end of the season though, maybe in a neutral country, the USA for example, bet they would go mad for it.

I'm not sure you definitely could but I saw some lads walking away with Heinz balls so...

They took my mates details down and they said something about a Magic Weekend competition but I'm not really sure what it was about.

Hope to see competitions like that again, really enjoyed it!

What would you clash as "near" a World Club Challenge? Can't get any nearer than the Grand Final surely?

You are therefore impressed

But that's the point isn't it. Smokey's arrogant statement of "winners find a way to win" coupled with a bit of parochial xenophobia, is typical from those who cannot appreciate that luck plays a part on most sporting events. His attitude is also inherently flawed when you consider last years cup final. Had Leeds lost their "way"

Not trolling or bitter, if you care to look at my first contribution to this thread you will see I was praising Leeds for their win. It's only a myopic few that choose not to see that.

Regarding the Webb incident, with the benefit of neutrality, which from your message you clearly don't have, if your team were on the wrong end of that decision you would be apoplectic about it.

One of the good things about supporting a top club like Leeds in this golden spell of the last few seasons, is the fact that after a major trophy win, out of the woodwork comes the fans of the perennial under achievers of modern day Rugby League.

Whether its the simple gormlessness of Humbersiders, or the whinging bitterness of delusional Wigganers, the morning after entertainment value is almost on a par with the actual winning of the Trophy!

Long may it continue.

Smokey, whilst I can only imagine your euphoria of seeing your club crowned ‘World Champions’, surely you don’t think this statement is correct.

The Aussies play at W.C.C intensity week on week, there’s no way any SL club would make the play-offs in the NRL. They would be bumping along with the Sharkies & Titans.

100% on the money! It's the gift that keeps on giving! Unfortunately I'm in brisbane on business and not back in the syders office till Friday when I can get stuck into the Manly fans.

As you rightly point out the SL Leeds hate crew just make our victories sweeter!

Leeds did very well to win. Great defence. Ryan hall always seems to performed in the big games. However lets not kid ourselves. The sl clubs have an advantage. One side is in pre season while one side isnt. How could that not be an advantage? Now of course it would be great to see the australians take it more seriously but cant see it happening. NRL is everything! !

5 or 6 sides in SL that could compete in the top end of the NRL? Not a chance!! 4 Max and even then they would need time to adjust for the intensity week in week out.

This.

Watching the NRL for me is watching a different breed of Rugby. However Manly putting out an unfit side does no favours to how people see the competition over here. Anyone who watches the NRL must know how intense that competition is.

I do find it amusing how people always crow on about SL clubs having an advantage when they clearly forget that the NRL sides have a far larger salary cap and therefore can attract better players. If Leeds had a salary cap similar to Manly, imagine the players they'd have (as well as other top SL clubs).

They'd have exactly the same squad quality, but they'd be paying them more. A larger salary cap won't increase the number of top quality players we produce or, to any great extent, the number of players coming over from Aus.

Your forgetting Australia just produce better players.

Nonsense.

Paying a player more money won't make them a better player. But being able to offer other players more money will either attract them to your club or retain them (i.e. we've just seen some players leave to union and the NRL).

I'm not saying I want the cap to increase (it would create a huge gulf in class between top and bottom, as the better clubs will attract the better players from the less successful clubs). But to say they'd have exactly the same squad is ludicrous.

And? This is club rugby, not rep rugby. If you've got a bigger wallet, you can bring in better players even if you can't produce as many.

Regarding Leeds World Club Challenge victory, is 2 SL games really an adequate preparation for such a game? May be Leeds need 10 SL games in preparation to get their defence bob on . After all SL is by far inferior to the NRL, so we keep being told. Unlike a few people on this topic, the Manly coach has no excuses www.therhinos.co.uk/news/18747.php Well Done Leeds

Regarding Leeds World Club Challenge victory, is 2 SL games really an adequate preparation for such a game? May be Leeds need 10 SL games in preparation to get their defence bob on . After all SL is by far inferior to the NRL, so we keep being told. Unlike a few people on this topic, the Manly coach has no excuses www.therhinos.co.uk/news/18747.php Well Done Leeds

No they dont. Its a myth, they dont play at WCC intensity week on week. They have games which arent intense and arent at a high quality, they have games which are pretty poor. They have good teams and they have bad teams, they have games where they dont have to try as hard. They just dont have as many of them as we do.

There isnt a massive difference between the best teams in the NRL and the best teams in SL, in a one off match any of Leeds, St's, Wigan, Wire could beat any of the top NRL teams.