Not watched much rugby this year then?

Change your tampon.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion, you're just wrong. Im not calling you names for your stupidity. Grow up a bit.

You obviously haven't, being a saints fan.

1.Widdop
2.Broughton
3.Smith
4.Shenton
5.Hall
6.Maguire
7.Tomkins
8.Graham
9.Roby
10.Burgess
11.J Tomkins
12.Ellis
13.Sinfield

14.Eastmond
15.Harrison
16.Morley
17.Manu

Not as much as I'd like to live, with it being a 450 mile round trip, no.

Although I doubt either of us travel to watch Leeds in games not involving our team, so I've probably seen as much of McGuire as you have (or more judging by the fact you seem to think his good season is based on playing alongside Rob Burrow).

Need half backs with Flair

so Eastmond and Tomkins for me

Need a FB with pace who will take the line on, that leaves Widdop

Gleeson and Shenton in centres, Bridge on bench

Briscoe and Atkins on the wings

Morley, Graham, Crabtree props

Roby at 9, but with creativity at Halves not 100%, maybe a great defender with a bit of a nasty streak is needed

Burgess, Ellis, OLoughlin, Tomkins back 3, westwood harrison on bench

There's not many 21 year olds who had reached their potential at that age. I'm willing to give him a couple of years before we dump him on the scrapheap.




Agreed about Gardner. Although he's improved his all round game over the years I have never rated him as an out and out winger. I disagree on Hall. I think he's a the best we have, strong, reliable and unless I'm totally mistaken I thought he at least had some wheels on him.





Bo11ocks. I'm not McGuire's biggest fan but he's played with Sinfield most of this season and has been arguably Leeds best performer. I wouldn't pick him at International level granted, but to claim he's only good with Burrow next to him is rubbish.



Leon Pryce is 28. If that is the reason you wouldn't pick him for England then you need a serious word with yourself.
Are you seriously advocating not choosing Peacock if he was fit? Who would you play? Coley or Fielden?






Put a fullback on the bench? Good one. Widdop has done everything asked of him and save for putting Leon Pryce at 1 (apparently he's over the hill at 2icon_cool.gif what's our next option? Wellens has never excelled at International leveland he's still comfortably the best 1 in Britain.



Thank f*ck you're not the coach. Would you take the mongrel out of Wayne Rooney? Would he be the same player?

Graham's passing close to the line results in plenty of clean breaks for the likes of Wellens, Roby et al at Saints and it offers us something different.

1. Widdop
2. Briscoe
3. Atkins
4. Shenton
5. Hall
6. S. Tomkins
7. Eastmond
8. Graham
9. Lunt
10. Lynch
11. Burgess
12. Ellis
13. O'Loughlin

14. Roby
15. J.Tomkins
16. Morley
17. Fielden

myler isnt international standard he made a name at salford as we was in nl1 then we got a license to super league and was no way near as dangerous so putting him in against the aussies and the kiwis isnt a good idea and defensively isnt the best either

ill take my tampon out when you take the stick from up your . Dick by name, dick by nature.

Stick well and truly removed.
You're still wrong though.

Why not? Where has this myth come from that we can't beat New Zealand? People have been saying it every year since I joined this forum yet we have a record of won 7 lost 5 since 2004 (not including the one off mid-season test).

I think it's because down under we've traditionally struggled.
Lets not take anything away from a great series but we wont 3 of those games in 07 against a severely depleted side on home soil.
Down under I bet we haven't beaten them for 5 games have we? I dont know, I dont have the figures..

Did you not watch the WC?

you going the hull game tonight or are you just an armchair supporter, picking out the "" warrington players?

Probably not, we didn't beat them in the WC or 06 Tri-Nations anyway. I still think it's wrong to just write us off reaching the final though.


Yes, is that what you are basing your negative view on? A squad from two years ago, dominated by Saints and Leeds players which reportedly didn't get along?

ahem...
Atkins' FIRST pass on the break went where................
For the Louis Anderson break his positional sense was absolutely shocking. 3 on 1 you should always score.
Its all good Bridge returns next week, we can watch a real class centre.
Ill accept your apology in writing here.

Briscoes try last night summed up why he should be in the team. It's alright falling over the line 25 times a season but would any of the other wing candidates have scored that? He's not only got genuine pace but he's very strong and has great balance and footwork.

it went to riley's hand who was too flat

Id go...

1. Widdop
2. Atkins
3. Pryce
4. Bridge
5. Hall
6. Eastmond
7. McGuire
8. Morley
9. Roby
10. Graham
11. Burgess
12. Ellis
13. O'Loughlin

14. Sinfield
15. Westwood
16. Crabtree
17. Wood

You watch a different sport to me surely! Ryan Atkins last night was fantastic, as he has been for the best part of the year. Another try assist to go with his 2 last week, not doing a bad job for someone who cant pass. Joint second centre for try assist's in SL, with Matt King, behind Bridge (who has played a few games as a half and loose)

If you want to line Ryan Atkins up against any other centre in the league i'd defend his corner, check his stats. Try assist's, metres, carries, dummy half runs, tackle's, tries, penalties... anything! The guy is 24, and a very 'raw' talent, but as the season has gone on, he has become a stand out in the 2nd best team in the league.

Ive never claimed he isn't a good athlete; what he isnt is a natural centre.
I said he finds touch more often than he finds his winger and that was proven last night. I said his positional sense is poor and that was highlighted again taking completely the wrong option on Louis' break. this happens too regularly, usually with Mathers and he then often looks like an idiot when in fact when you take a look at Atkins he's taken completely the wrong line.
Atkins does a lot of things right, he aint a natural centre though, Bridge is, the wing would definately be the position i'd be looking to put Atkins in the international side. At club level he goes okay, internationally he would be murdered.

dico you make me laugh. atkins put in an absolute stormer last nite and now you're saying it proves your point. can you actually once stand up for your player. this sort of talk was said by people who hated KP or jon clarke(who over past few weeks deserves a wembley spot).

And you're quite typical of the average person from this here town.
I said he finds touch more often than his winger, Newsflash: he does.