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| Quote ="Chris28"Not seen it as we were too far from the screens at the ground to see properly, but if he has screwed up there's a big issue to be sorted out.
As a Hull fan, I think "hahahahahahahaha" and am just enjoying looking at the table.'"
He has screwed up, big time! The governing body have admitted it & the official, through the RFL, has admitted it. The wrong call was made & therefore, in the case of this game, the wrong result was reached as a result of the officials error.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"He has screwed up, big time! The governing body have admitted it & the official, through the RFL, has admitted it. The wrong call was made & therefore, in the case of this game, the wrong result was reached as a result of the officials error.'"
I refer you to my last sentence
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| Quote ="Chris28"I refer you to my last sentence'"
As a Leeds fan I felt the same in 2007, when the same official made an error which also brought about the wrong result at the end of the game. However, that time Mr Ganson made the mistake of not deferring to the video ref for a decision & made the decision himself. The subsequent video replays proved that he had made an incorrect call in not doing so... but this situation was far worse & a much bigger error!
Lets go back to 2007 and play out an alternative theoretical outcome!
Mr Ganson has doubts about Jordan Tansey being behind Kevin Sinfield when the penalty is taken in the dying seconds of the game, which of course resulted in Tansey regathering the ball from the missed kick & scoring the match winning try. He calls time off, puts the square-in-the-air & defers his decision to the video ref. What happens next? Well, the argument put forward at the time was that of course the video ref would clearly have seen, as the video replay angles proved, that Tansey was offside & the try disallowed. It was obvious! Well, that the theory!
So, in actual fact, this is where we got to today. Mr Thaler has doubts about whether the try scorer (and other Hull players chasing downfield) where on-side when the ball was kicked & defers his call to the video ref Mr Ganon. So, myself, everyone else watching the live game on Sky, the commentary team on Sky, Stuart Cummings, even the players on both sides watching the big screen, could see that the try scorer was in front of the kicker when the ball was kicked, he wasn't played on-side by the kicker as he was always behind him, Eden never touched the ball, meaning the try scorer could not get within 10m of the ball, never mind pick it up & score a try!
It was a huge error & one that should never have happened. This game, unlike in 2007 BTW, should be replayed to maintain the integrity of the game & the video ref system.
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| Tbh I don't disagree, except for the replay bit.
The one thing I am certain of is that Ganson has gone to bed with a big smile on his face. Another rugby showpiece where the talk is about him rather than the games or the players. Hollywood, we can only salute your ego.
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| Quote ="Chris28"Tbh I don't disagree, except for the replay bit.
The one thing I am certain of is that Ganson has gone to bed with a big smile on his face. Another rugby showpiece where the talk is about him rather than the games or the players. Hollywood, we can only salute your ego.'"
After reading this, I don't think he will have gone to bed with a smile on his face & suspect he probably might have a restless night - [urlhttp://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/bradford-bulls/when-the-weekend-s-magic-just-vanished-for-ganson-1-5709181[/url. Not least for giving this interview now... never mind anything else!
This quote in particular - “As a ref, when you give a decision but then someone else – who is watching a video monitor with replays – tells you it’s wrong you’d hope you are getting the right information. But instead it was him who got it wrong."
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| Won't have to replay it.
Just received an email from the club saying Hull FC will give a point to Hull KR for fairness.
Amazing gesture by Adam Pearson.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"The wrong call was made & therefore, in the case of this game, the wrong result was reached as a result of the officials error.'"
Can't be right. We are repeatedly assured on here that the officials never, ever affect the outcome of a game. Moreover no mistake by an official is ever as bad as the mistakes made routinely by players and coaches. Ever. So clearly folk need to get off Gansons back as he can in no way shape or form be held responsible.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"This game, unlike in 2007 BTW, should be replayed to maintain the integrity of the game & the video ref system.'"
Give over daft lad.
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| so we are saying an honest mistake is unforgivable. more unforgivable then players who deliberately cheat. like holding on to a tackler to milk a penalty(or possibly a sin binning), by throwing a forward pass and know its forward but think the reward is worth the risk given refs miss things, by poleaxing a player and risking him serious injury(and we all know some players have track records for this), by reefing the ball out without the officials seeing and gaining the ball.
all of those things directly influence the outcome of the game. and they are done by players cheating to gain an advantage. on purpose, not an accident.
bad decision yes. but the end result is no different from a try allowed from a forward pass whether in the 5th minute or the 75 minute if those points prove decisive. or if a foward takes a half back out and only goes on report,but the other side are deprived of a play maker. he may get a ban but its no comfort to the side who lost the game due to a lack of ball player.
so therefore everybodys saying making an honest error is worst then deliberately cheating
he got it wrong, get over it. every team in sl has gained results from bad decisions
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| Quote ="Eddie Marks"so we are saying an honest mistake is unforgivable. more unforgivable then players who deliberately cheat. like holding on to a tackler to milk a penalty(or possibly a sin binning), by throwing a forward pass and know its forward but think the reward is worth the risk given refs miss things, by poleaxing a player and risking him serious injury(and we all know some players have track records for this), by reefing the ball out without the officials seeing and gaining the ball.
all of those things directly influence the outcome of the game. and they are done by players cheating to gain an advantage. on purpose, not an accident.
bad decision yes. but the end result is no different from a try allowed from a forward pass whether in the 5th minute or the 75 minute if those points prove decisive. or if a foward takes a half back out and only goes on report,but the other side are deprived of a play maker. he may get a ban but its no comfort to the side who lost the game due to a lack of ball player.
so therefore everybodys saying making an honest error is worst then deliberately cheating
he got it wrong, get over it. every team in sl has gained results from bad decisions'"
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| I just cant see how it was possible to get it so wrong when it was so obvious. Tracked the wrong player? Watching the replay Im not sure how that is even possible given its pretty easy to follow who picks the ball up. I just question Ganson`s motives behind the decision.
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| If he actually did "track the wrong player" then he'd have seen that player didn't pick up the ball. Even the apology has a whiff of bulli about it and makes it look more bent than, as you would hope, incompetent.
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| It's a real shame - up to the closing minutes, that was by far the best game of the day. The Yeaman 'try' was questionable, but how he could get the final one wrong is absolutely beyond me. It spoiled the game and by extension, put a tarnish on the whole event.
I wonder what Thaler thought as the TRY came up; having watched it several times on the big screen, he must have known full well that it was the wrong decision. Couldn't he have said, "You've got that wrong Steve," and forced another look?
For mine, the game should be retrospectively declared a draw.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"I just cant see how it was possible to get it so wrong when it was so obvious. Tracked the wrong player? Watching the replay Im not sure how that is even possible given its pretty easy to follow who picks the ball up. I just question Ganson`s motives behind the decision.'"
What are you suggesting?
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| Quote ="rover49"=#FF0000Moderated comment to take out accusation. Sorry lad but you just can't say that.'"
I only posted the truth. If he wants to sue me, let him, I think there is ample video evidence to back me up.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Can't be right. We are repeatedly assured on here that the officials never, ever affect the outcome of a game. Moreover no mistake by an official is ever as bad as the mistakes made routinely by players and coaches. Ever. So clearly folk need to get off Gansons back as he can in no way shape or form be held responsible.'"
In 99.9% of cases the above is totally correct & I agree that officials almost never effect the outcome of a game... however, for the first time in the video ref era, this unfortunately was that time. Lets also remember the governing body & the official have admitted it was an error and that is also unprecedented in the video ref era.
So what do we do about it?
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| Quote ="bren2k"For mine, the game should be retrospectively declared a draw.'"
Under which Operational Rule or Bylaw?
And can we then expect every single game where the ref makes a huge error to have the result set aside? Because that would happen every single week.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"In 99.9% of cases the above is totally correct & I agree that officials almost never effect the outcome of a game... however, for the first time in the video ref era, this unfortunately was that time. Lets also remember the governing body & the official have admitted it was an error and that is also unprecedented in the video ref era.
So what do we do about it?'"
Ganson's already apologised. That's all that happens. FC have had loads of apologies from refs and the RFL for game-changing decisions that were incorrect - not a few from Ganson as it happens. No results were set aside. No officials were disciplined. Clubs are specifically forbidden to object to the result of a game based on the decision of an official.
I've been complaining about the quality of refereeing for 25 years. Cock-ups like yesterday happen pretty much every week in games up and down the land. The only difference is this one was on telly.
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| As an Hull fan, I have to admit that it was a truly shocking decision, but still can't believe how surprised or shocked people are.
This is Steve Ganson we are talking about and the guy has more front than Blackpool. We can all go and look at the rules and even double check the small print, but that will be irrelevant really because Steve Ganson is involved.
As fans we have all suffered at the hands of the above mentioned pleb, last season it was us Hull fans who felt robbed, this season it was Hull KR and unfortunately, all the time the RL insist on employing him we will just have to live with it.
The problem the RL has with officials is the lack of options it has. Thaler was also at fault with the last try yesterday which seems to have gone unnoticed, although I recognised his error straight away in the ground. Hull played the ball on the 4th tackle and then when the play was developing, Thaler suddenly decided to indicate (wrongly) that it was 5th and last. This caused confusion in the Hull ranks with Lynch almost coming to a stand still before passing the ball to Houghton who put in an unplanned kick. So Thaler got the tackle count wrong, which I could possibly live with, but he did not indicate that it was the 5th before the ball was played, only after the play was developing. This can be clearly seen on the Sky coverage, but has somewhat gone unnoticed.
Who knows why the try was given, but the above passage of play should highlight to Red Hall once and for all the need for significant investment in the development of competent match officials.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"In 99.9% of cases the above is totally correct & I agree that officials almost never effect the outcome of a game... however, for the first time in the video ref era, this unfortunately was that time. Lets also remember the governing body & the official have admitted it was an error and that is also unprecedented in the video ref era.
So what do we do about it?'"
Oh - and BTW...
Eden catches that ball like he should have done and Green being offside is immaterial. If anyone really thinks that Green being 50 metres from Eden at the time of the kick instead of 51, and 20 metres away at the point Eden let the ball bounce, had any effect whatsoever on Eden's attempt at a catch is clutching at straws.
That's another excuse usually trotted out by the ref apologists, isn't it?
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| Quote ="Eddie Marks"last year a try was wrongly awarded which cost hull the game. this year a try was wrongly awarded which cost hull kr the game. both were wrong decisions and should have been picked up. but the forward pass last year was so far forward it should also have been seen.
people seem to think its ok to win from a forward pass because theyre more commonly missed.
both are as bad as it changes the result'"
Forward passes get missed every game, we see it week in and out on Sky and at games not televised, this is far more worrying from the games point of view as it clearly shows a decision that is so wrong it cannot be explained or justified. He had every angle to look at it from, he had ample time (which he never used) and he still got it wrong. I also have to ask what the hell Thaler and his linesmen were doing, it clearly shows the linesman DIRECTLY in line with not one, but TWO Hull players in an offside position. We see offsides called by referees all the time and this one was so clear Thaler has to take some of the responsibility.
I will also say, if the idiot Eden had done what any fullback from under 13's upwards would have done, namely catch the bloody thing under no pressure, we would not be debating this. That said, it was Gansons fault and he has to be questioned why he made such a conscious decision when it was clear to all that it was a no try.
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| Has he explained yet why he got the decision wrong? Did he just press the wrong button?
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"Has he explained yet why he got the decision wrong? Did he just press the wrong button?'"
According to reports locally, he 'tracked the wrong player'
TWICE !!!!!
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| Quote ="Eddie Marks"so we are saying an honest mistake is unforgivable. more unforgivable then players who deliberately cheat. like holding on to a tackler to milk a penalty(or possibly a sin binning), by throwing a forward pass and know its forward but think the reward is worth the risk given refs miss things, by poleaxing a player and risking him serious injury(and we all know some players have track records for this), by reefing the ball out without the officials seeing and gaining the ball.
all of those things directly influence the outcome of the game. and they are done by players cheating to gain an advantage. on purpose, not an accident.
bad decision yes. but the end result is no different from a try allowed from a forward pass whether in the 5th minute or the 75 minute if those points prove decisive. or if a foward takes a half back out and only goes on report,but the other side are deprived of a play maker. he may get a ban but its no comfort to the side who lost the game due to a lack of ball player.
so therefore everybodys saying making an honest error is worst then deliberately cheating
he got it wrong, get over it. every team in sl has gained results from bad decisions'"
It depends on the magnitude of the error, like it does in society & our countries legal system, mistakes & errors are punishable with varying degree of severity.
Do you speed in your car, have you ever broken the speed limit, even in error? If you have, & statistically I think I know the answer, then do you do it often or not & have you ever been caught & punished? This is a good analogy with the rules of sport. Some players hardly ever break the rules/speed limit and even if they do in error, sometimes they get caught, sometimes they don't. Some players break the rules/speed limit more often as they push the limit of the laws, it is their nature. They probably get caught more often, but they often continue to do so even after being penalised, this can lead to more significant punishments & even a temporary suspension. Some players have a rush of blood to the head & go way beyond the limit of the laws/speed limit & receive a punishment that is instantly more severe or brings about a more severe punishment.
So, now that we have sorted that, lets talk about the Policeman that catches you speeding! It turns out you weren't speeding, the radar gun was working ok & when you review the evidence it proves it beyond reasonable doubt, the Policeman just made a gross error of judgement & did you for speeding! If it was you who were caught speeding and you are rather unhappy when you know you weren't. Then the Police Inspector says, ok, actually we admit we got it wrong, the Policeman did as well, but we are really sorry but that it's, you still have to take the points on your licence & the driving ban... it is just a bit of bad luck you are having mate! How do you feel now?
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