There you go again with your generalisations about Trinity fans.
Like I've said to you before, I always thought you were a decent poster when you were ThePrinter, but for some reason almost every time anyone who supports Wakey posts on here & no matter how trivial you're all over them like you're looking for an argument, what's that all about because I don't see you do it with fans of other teams too much when you could.



Anyway, I'll go-

Castleford
St Helens
Leeds
Hull
Wakefield
Wigan
Warrington
Huddersfield
Catalans
Salford
Hull KR
Widnes

He was decent when we weren't very good and he could patronise us. Just shows how fragile the egos are on this forum and he's not alone. Odd thing is his prediction don't look that ridiculous so makes you wonder what the problem is.

We've rattled a load of pre- conception in the past two yeas and they can't stand - hence the fact that at best most have us to do no better than last year.

Of course they may be right, I don't think there are many Wakey fans who think we will be champs. Hell we may even crash and burn but that's the same with all teams just look at Warrington last year.

However the season hasn't started yet and anybody can see we have made some potentially very good signings especially compared to some other clubs. That's why you have to smile at some of the teams placed above us by some. There is no logic it's just none sense and prejudice.

If your as good as your last game then Wigan shouldn't be anywhere near.

That said I'm sure Wigan will recover its in their DNA but right now they look poor. No just picking on Wigan, despite Printers propaganda Leeds looked no great shakes on Boxing Day even with a fairly strong squad.Cas got beat though it was a weak team.

You can't tell now really but if you were basing it on logic - last years results - this years sightings then Wakefield have to be top 6 though it would kill mr zucchini to admit it.

Again I'm not saying we actually will but if your being genuine with the facts at hand you'd pretty much pick similar finishing positions as last year with perhaps Salford giving way for fairly obvious reasons.

But hey shifty we are upperty Tri fans with a chip on our shoulders and no right to be ambitious or optimistic - wouldn't want to upset the cost status quo that has existed in RL for the last 20 years.

Cas tried and look what happened - back in your boxes.

Warrington
Hull
Castleford
St Helens
Leeds
Salford
Wakefield
Huddersfield
Wigan
Catalans
Hull KR
Widnes

Top 8, in potentially any order:

Saints, Wigan, Leeds, Hull, Cas, Warrington, Huddersfield, Catalans

Bottom 4, in potentially any order:

Wakefield, Salford, Widnes, Hull KR

I just hope above anything Cas don't follow the previous two LLS winners and fall into the bottom 4.

I cant see it but stranger things have happened. So here goes;

1. St Helens - I though Holbrook got them ticking towards the back end of the season and will carry on in the same fashion
2. Hull - Will finally find their consistency
3. Cas - Hopefully will still be consistent, Roberts to be a major plus at FB.
4. Wire / Wakefield - Could be either for me, probably the results in the games between the 2 teams will make the difference.
5. Wire / Wakefield - As above
6. Leeds - I think it will be close in the league but I just cant see how Myler replaces McGuire!
7. Wigan - I think 2019 will be a massive year for Wigan when their youngsters come of age. For me, they wont be miles off.
8. Huddersfield - If they keep Mamo and Ika fit, they will go well.
9. Catalans - Will just miss out on the 8's but will comfortably navigate the middles.
10. Hull KR - Will do OK in their first year back, pick up a few big wins.
11. Widnes - Some decent signings, just need to keep their halves injury free.
12. Salford - I think they might struggle this year, a couple of decent signings but went into free fall last season, I expect this to carry on.

Overall i think it will be one of the closest seasons we have ever witnessed, a couple of wins / losses here or there will really affect teams.

I will be completely wrong with the above but who cares, Rugby League and especially Super League is finally back!

Why on earth would I never admit it? If I thought you would finish 6th then I would put you 6th. But I am expecting Wigan to have a better year, I expect Warrington to improve significantly and that leaves Huddersfield, who are probably on a very similar level to you, but I was impressed every time I watched them last year once they booked their ideas up after the Swinton loss. As I said earlier I think they could be a dark horse.

Please dont think I have anything against Wakefield. Yes I got it wrong last year, but that wasnt through a dislike or prejudice of Wakefield. I just got it wrong. I was gutted for you missing the 4 last year and would love for you to go one better this year. I don't think you will. Maybe I will be wrong again?

Aye you could be potentially right there Roy

Although Wakey have a good squad I'd be concerned about the loss of Kear, who my opinion is the best assistant coach in English RL.

He's actually one of the better first team coaches as proved at Hull not that you lot will ever admit it.

However I agree as an assistant he's the best and I can't pretend we won't miss him. However CC is now in his third year with us (one without JK) and his fourth season as a SL coach so I'm guessing he's getting the hang of it.

I also suspect JK will remain available to offer advice and why wouldn't he - as yet there is no conflict of interest.

Who’s you lot, and why wouldn’t they admit it?
You seem very wound up about something Vastman, not sure why

I must admit I won't be admitting wakey are world beaters just yet.

Am I, strand but all I ever read from Hull fans slagging him off from when he was head coach.

In fairness to you lot a lot of Wakey fans did the in his last season with us - chill out a bit and don't take it so person, your not a Leeds fan.

Got to admit I won't lose any sleep at that revelation.

As it happens neither do I but then I don't think any of the current SL teams are on a par with the NRL this year.

Tragic really because last years SL was one of the best ever imho yet we'd still managed to fall further behind.

1 Saints
2 Rhinos
3 Hull FC
4 Tigers
5 Wolves
6 Warriors
7 Wakefield
8 Giants


9 Dragons
10 Hull KR
11 Widnes
12 Salford

GF Winner Rhinos
CC Winner Saints

I must apologise unreservedly if i have underestimated the tetchiness of your feelings towards your club and how highly that you regard them that clearly isn't replicated in my predictions for 2018

No offence is intended and at the end of the day these are just my predictions

I haven’t taken anything personally. As far as I can see, jk is highly thought of throughout the game, including Hull fans.
There does appear to be an element of hyperbole to your posts on this thread. You argue with one Leeds fan, so decide to label all there fans as arrogant. One Hull fan mentions that jk is a great assistant, suddenly all Hull fans never rated him.
It would be alot easier to converse with you if you attacked the post, not the poster and his team

SL last year was a poor standard as was the year before that, I hope it greatly improves this year. Vastmans assertion that it was one of the best ever is astounding.

Why I have a go is because you and SOME other Wakey fans have a go at other bigger more successful teams and for some reason cry foul when you get some stick back. You can say Saints and Wigan had bad seasons but god forbid someone says Wakey won't finish in the Top 6...jumped all over.

The reason I criticise Wakefield fans opinions on here is because A, Wakey fans are dominating most threads on the VT lately (if it isn't them demanding respect it's Leigh fans having a go about Toronto and expansion)

"Oh a Leeds fan doesn't like us doing well and upsetting the established order"......I couldn't give a flying F who is in the top 4 next year as long as Leeds are one of them. In fact I'd rather have a Wakey and Cas over Wigan and Saints given we saw what playoff experience means back in October:

The VT is getting dominated by Wakey fans lately because they had a decent season. This has lead to SOME of their fans getting cocky. You think Leeds and Wigan fans don't criticise each other? You think Saints and Wire fans only say nice things to one another?

Only in the delusion Red, White and Blue world of Wakefield can they slag off other more successful clubs and then cry foul when they get some stick back, which apparently is unacceptable because they finished 5th last season.

The irony of Wakey fans having a pop at fans of bigger clubs for having an "ego" when they've started talking like champions off a 5th placed finish is embarrassing and laughable:

So if you want to know why I criticise Wakefield fans, it's because you do the exact same to other more successful clubs. Can't take it, don't dish it out.

VT lately

Someone predicts Wakefield to finish outside the top 6....Wakey fans gets upset

Someone picks an Exiles team with no or limited Wakey players.....Wakey fans get upset

Someone criticises the new Wakey home shirt....Wakey fans get upset

Same BS every time and it's embarrassing but there fans just put it down to "jealously" which is even more embarrassing.

To be fair we leave everyone else alone

Grow up and stop being so juvenile.

You do know in vastman's world he is never wrong.

No it isn't astounding to those who understand the game - it is astounding to those who's want a top four set in stone.

What upsets some fans of some clubs is that other teams refused to accept there given slot and decided to play. This gave clubs like Leeds, Saints and Wigan the shock of a lifetime. Suddenly they were not being allowed to parade around the pitch unchallenged. Worse still two clubs Cas and to a degree Wakefield were playing some of the most attractive RL seen in years. Don't believe it, watch both clubs highlights. On the other hand Hull provided the muscle and the power and of course the skill.

The only way these arrogant over entitled fans could cope with this was the sad and tired old trick of pretending they were poor and by definition so was everyone else.

Pathetic - absolutely pathetic.

Predicting a big year for Catalans Dragons. Why?

1. Speedster David Mead at full back.
2. Powerful hooker rotation with Michael McIlorum and Paul Aiton.
3. Young Lucas Albert blooming in the halves alongside Luke Walsh.
4. Powerful rotation of No 13 between Gregory Bird and Jason Baitieri.
5. Great "Benjamin" defenses in the second row with French stars Benjamin Garcia and Benjamin Jullien.
6. Vigorous prop forward options with Sam Moa, Remi Casty, Julien Bousquet, Mickael Simon and Antoni Maria (4 out of 5 French).
7. Three powerful wing options in Jodi Broughton, Fouad Yaha and Lewis Tierney.

The only question mark is in the centres. While Brayden WIlliame is in penetrating attacking form, Vincent Duport has passed his use by date and Ian Thornleigh is unimpressive.
However if Anthony Gigot was to win his appeal against a two year ban he would add superior class to that position.

Overall this team is strong enough to ensure a top 8 and possibly even top 4 position.

Dont forget Salford for 2/3's of the season.

And half a dozen injuries and yer fecked Jeanie.

Come off it Vasty. Whilst I accept that your optics might be slightly different, given that most Wakefield fans will agree that they've spent more than a few years watching dross, I think you're clutching at straws to argue that on the basis of Castleford and Wakefield having very good seasons, the standard of the league and the quality of the league is improving.

We're losing much of of our top talent because of our inability / unwillingness to pay them their worth, and we're replacing that lost talent with inferior players. We've lost good, young talent like the Burgess brothers, Graham, Hodgson and Whitehead to the NRL - and we haven't been able to replace them with players of equal or greater ability.

We're producing less home-grown talent than we used to, and that invariably impacts the quality that can go around.

We're not attracting the quality of overseas talent that we were 10/15 years ago - the days of recruiting box office talent of the calibure of Renouf, Barrett, Vainikolo, Albert, Gidley or Lauitiiti (in their prime) are long gone.

Feel free to argue away, but I don't think you'll convince anyone that the standard of play, that the quality of talent that we're seeing week in, week out is improving in the context of those three important factors. At the end of the day, supporters will judge the standard with their wallets and the reality is that for the last three seasons, we've been playing in front of fewer and fewer of those supporters.

You can go ahead and convince yourself that people pointing out a decline of standards are simply "fans of big clubs who don't like being roughed up by the small clubs" as much as you like, but that doesn't make it the case.