I liked the 'various other trophies' bit personally

One of the most ambiguous answers I've heard in a while

Apart from a couple of s on these boards, I don't recall anyone - and certainly not Clarke - claiming McGuire "deserved" the injury he got, or wishing it upon him. So the suggestion you find so shocking seems to be one you just made up.

surely to suggest it was Karmic retribution is to suggest it was deserved.

It would seem strange for clarke to say "McGuire's injury could well act as a lesson to any other player watching that it doesn't pay to cheat. Perhaps the rugby Gods have punished him for his unsportsmanlike play.."

when what he really meant was "McGuire's injury could well act as a lesson to any other player watching that it doesn't pay to cheat, though you do not deserve an injury if you do so there is a small chance that you may be injured whilst breaking the rules but this chance isnt really any higher than at any other time of the match so it isnt really something you should take into account when making a decision to break the rules or not. Joel Tomkins for instance has broken the rules more than any other player in SL and so far he has escaped serious injury, whilst James Donaldson broke the rules for times and broke a leg so whilst in this rare example there was a corollary between Mcguires breaking of the rules and his injury it would be silly to try and claim causality. Perhaps the rugby Gods have punished him for his unsportsmanlike play. Though the rugby Gods are fallible and in this case would have got the punishment wrong as it was totally undeserved and disproportionate, in which case you do not need to take into account the rugby gods either because their punishment is entirely aribtrary"

And Mr Clarke just expected us guess the rest

Clarke is a joke he must know how biased he sounds,a few weeks backs hemings asked him to sum up how the giants had won the game at wigan, and all the man did was to tell us all how good Wigan was sorry the mans become a joke when it comes to wigan.

The irony of some Leeds fans new avatars.

Anybody know what Mcquire has to say about the incident? Jon Wells is the least bias of the presenters, prehaps he can interview Danny on Boots 'n' all and finally put it all to bed.

I lost count

"Surely"??

Surely not. Clarke has made a single snappy comment (which you quoted) in a short media article. It is you who is trying to analyse it to death, and try to infer and expand it, and to twist it in such a way that you then claim to know exactly what Clarke meant, all so that you can then have a hissy, self-righteous fit going on to lambast your fake construction.

The POINT being made by Clarke is plainly obvious and clear. It is: "Cheating doesn't pay". Your weird post makes it sound as if you actually think Clarke believes in the existence of "rugby gods". He doesn't. It's a mere turn of phrase, man.

Now let it go.

Quote ="boost"Anybody know what Mcquire has to say about the incident? Jon Wells is the least bias of the presenters, prehaps he can interview Danny on Boots 'n' all and finally put it all to bed.'" i assume Danny McGuire has made a few comments to Jamie Peacock: www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/Pe ... 6539544.jp

Quote ="boost"Anybody know what Mcquire has to say about the incident? Jon Wells is the least bias of the presenters, prehaps he can interview Danny on Boots 'n' all and finally put it all to bed.'" i assume Danny McGuire has made a few comments to Jamie Peacock: www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/Pe ... 6539544.jp

its not over-analysing anything. Its just your strange avoidance of simply admitting somebody said something a bit classless and a bit tasteless purely because it was a leeds player.

It doesnt need over-analysing, its fairly clear what he said and what he meant, and its faily clear it lacked class and was a fairly idiotic comment from a former professional who was forced to retire because of a neck injury. Your defence of it says quite a lot about you, but nothing we didnt already know.

Peacock shows himself up, then. After the heat of the last minute, having watched McGuire haul down Carmont as he tried to support Richards, arguably costing Wigan the chance of a win, is anyone genuinely even mildly surprised that players nearest to McGuire might have reacted by calling him a cheat?

Then, the claim that by doing this, the Wigan players actually delayed McGuire receiving treatment seems without foundation. If Clarke is to be criticised for his comments, then what about Peacock, claiming the Wigan players were to blame for delay in an injured opponent getting treatment?

What? So now you claim Clarke only said it because it was a Leeds player? That's nuts too.

nope, i didnt say that, read it again.

so you are saying it is sportsmanlike to stand over an injured player shouting at him?

in what way does it 'seem' without foundation? in the way that there is video evidence of Wigan players surrounding Mcguire whilst he is injured?

Er, no. Obviously it's not.




Because there is absolutely no evidence of any person wishing to treat McGuire was in any way restrained or hampered in doing so by any Wigan player. If you can provide evidence from any of the medicos that there was a delay in treatment caused by Wigan players then you have a good point, but I haven't seen any, any would think I would have if it existed. That is why to me it "seems without foundation". Does that help?



As requested, I have read it again. It says:

The "somebody" you refer to is Phil Clarke, and so you said:
"Somebody (i.e. Phil Clarke) said something a bit classless and a bit tasteless purely because it was a leeds player."
So yes, you did say that.

so why criticise Peacock for saying something you agree with?

other than the video evidence



its one sentence, read the whole sentence rather than starting in the middle of it. Somebody else is mentioned, and also what they are doing and why they are doing it. Your attempt to be a smart isnt going too well is it?

superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=19062 For calling Mcguire a cheat

superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=19062 For calling Mcguire a cheat

Two words pot & kettle spring to mind

I read the article, but cant see the apology from McCleannan for accusing Wigan players of causing the injury by foul play, as the clown said in the live broadcast after the match.

And I bet that if you did ask other Super League players that they would say yes he did cheat by "tackling" Carmont without the ball. Unless they play for leeds, then NO he didnt cheat

Clarke was clearly wrong to say what he said, Peacock has made clear what McClennan was complaining about with regards to Mcguire. McClennan should have been a bit more circumspect in his words but i can forgive anyone's outburst seconds after a close match and such a controversial incident.

Clarke however has no excuse for such a tasteless and classless remark in a written article days after the event.

This thread will go two ways - one justifying Clarke by all the Wigan fans still bitter at the JJB loss and vilifying him by all the Leeds fans upset about the aftermath following Danny Turnstilles injury.

I was surprised by Clarke's comments in a day and age where bland reflections are the norm. Was actually refreshing to read an open and frank opinion. Whether it is accurate of course is a wholly different matter (see above)...

I would say Wigan as a club, it's fans, staff and cronies like Clarke reacted to the defeat in a very poor way. They have no grace and no class as a club and their fans should be ashamed of themselves for the bile they spouted after the game. Anyone associated with Wigan has a cheek to be complaining of cheating and rugby gods after Wigan's deliberate salary cap rorting to avoid relegation a few years back.

It all makes Saturday's game very interesting. Whoever wins is going to have several chunks torn out of them. The RFL need to pick a very, very strong referee for this one as it could get out of hand very, very quickly.

Spot on there. Wonder if Ben Thaler will get the gig on Saturday

In the same way that McCleannan had no Grace in his aftermatch interview?

Wigan "Cheated" the salary cap, in the same way that Saints did in there grand final winning year?