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| US$850 a year is the average national wage.
Over 2,000,000 of the population live on less than $450 a year.
3% (195,000) of the Adult population carry the HIV/Aids virus.
975,000 of the 6,500,000 population live in urban areas.
50% is the unemployment rate accepted for port Moresby 
85% of the population rely on subsistance economies.
Poverty indicators such as disease and ill health are higher in PNG than most other developing nations.
Education is at a standard lower than most other Pacific island countries.
40% of the country has no literacy
The minerals, timber, and fish sectors are dominated by foreign investors and Exxon/Mobil own the gas. (go figure)
Crime: Has already been said, but a simple google of travel advisory statements from various governments show what problems may arise. Rioting at sporting events is common.......that'll go down well with the viewers back home.
Headlines like this should put off any away fans..........
[urlhttp://www.northernstar.com.au/story/2010/11/19/man-tells-of-png-kidnap-trauma-lismore-man-in-terr/[/url
Reports like this are not the work of fiction.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/22/population.davidfickling[/url
The list goes on, but basically, before anyone considers putting an NRL team in PNG, which would generate little income for the country as a whole, there are many other important issues that need dealing with.
BTW, who would have to pay for the security and insurance premiums for visiting players......Kidnapping is very popular in PNG. | | |
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| Quote ="gutterfax"US$850 a year is the average national wage.
Over 2,000,000 of the population live on less than $450 a year.
3% (195,000) of the Adult population carry the HIV/Aids virus.
975,000 of the 6,500,000 population live in urban areas.
50% is the unemployment rate accepted for port Moresby
85% of the population rely on subsistance economies.
Poverty indicators such as disease and ill health are higher in PNG than most other developing nations.
Education is at a standard lower than most other Pacific island countries.
40% of the country has no literacy
The minerals, timber, and fish sectors are dominated by foreign investors and Exxon/Mobil own the gas. (go figure)
Crime: Has already been said, but a simple google of travel advisory statements from various governments show what problems may arise. Rioting at sporting events is common.......that'll go down well with the viewers back home.
Headlines like this should put off any away fans..........
[urlhttp://www.northernstar.com.au/story/2010/11/19/man-tells-of-png-kidnap-trauma-lismore-man-in-terr/[/url
Reports like this are not the work of fiction.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/22/population.davidfickling[/url
The list goes on, but basically, before anyone considers putting an NRL team in PNG, which would generate little income for the country as a whole, there are many other important issues that need dealing with.
BTW, who would have to pay for the security and insurance premiums for visiting players......Kidnapping is very popular in PNG.'"
Im sure we can leave the spending priorities of the Papuans to the PNG government. Im not sure they need advice from a group of RL fans. | | | |
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That's right.
And their priority is to use the NRL side to improve a lot of things.
It is going to be used to help encourage kids to go to school, it will spread the message about AIDS and HIV and it will bring money and jobs into the country which will beneift a lot of people.
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| Quote ="ECT"That's right.
And their priority is to use the NRL side to improve a lot of things.
It is going to be used to help encourage kids to go to school, it will spread the message about AIDS and HIV and it will bring money and jobs into the country which will beneift a lot of people.'"
And I think it might work, too.
By all accounts, many people in PNG idolise pro RL players; there certainly seems to be significant potential for an NRL presence to help influence things for the better by pushing positive messages. | | |
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| Quote ="ECT"That's right.
And their priority is to use the NRL side to improve a lot of things.
It is going to be used to help encourage kids to go to school, it will spread the message about AIDS and HIV and it will bring money and jobs into the country which will beneift a lot of people.'"
OK.....I accept that sports teams can be used to generate good in a number of ways, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Jobs? Where? Seriously...where?
Encourage Kids to go to school? Yeah, OK......that'll work.
The message about Aids is out there already....it's being ignored.
Benefit a lot of people? B0ll0x......same way the oil, gas, nickle and everything else that isn't nailed down has been raped, this would too.
But let's say you're right......what will they be called? The Raskols?
Where will they play? Port Moresby has 50%+ unemployment...."pound for pound" they might be able to get away with AU$1 a ticket. The Hubert Murray holds 15,000...the Lloyd Robson 10,000...so there's not a lot of ticket revenue available.
What happens when the best players are picked up by the wealthier NRL teams? What happenss to the NRL if these 300,000+ players turn out to be good? Are the days of megawages over....I mean why pay a Billy Slater if you can get a decent player for $25,000 a year?
How will the NRL players feel about visiting one of the worst places to live, with a murder rate 27 times that of Sydney, where kidnapping is fast becoming a national sport, where violent crime is rife? Who picks up the tab for the security/insurance that will be required?
Pipe dream........makes no sense financially to anyone except the teams owners, who will pocket millions in TV money and be able to run a team on about $300,000 a year. | | | |
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| Quote ="gutterfax"OK.....I accept that sports teams can be used to generate good in a number of ways, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Jobs? Where? Seriously...where?
Encourage Kids to go to school? Yeah, OK......that'll work.
The message about Aids is out there already....it's being ignored.
Benefit a lot of people? B0ll0x......same way the oil, gas, nickle and everything else that isn't nailed down has been raped, this would too.
But let's say you're right......what will they be called? The Raskols?
Where will they play? Port Moresby has 50%+ unemployment...."pound for pound" they might be able to get away with AU$1 a ticket. The Hubert Murray holds 15,000...the Lloyd Robson 10,000...so there's not a lot of ticket revenue available.
What happens when the best players are picked up by the wealthier NRL teams? What happenss to the NRL if these 300,000+ players turn out to be good? Are the days of megawages over....I mean why pay a Billy Slater if you can get a decent player for $25,000 a year?
How will the NRL players feel about visiting one of the worst places to live, with a murder rate 27 times that of Sydney, where kidnapping is fast becoming a national sport, where violent crime is rife? Who picks up the tab for the security/insurance that will be required?
Pipe dream........makes no sense financially to anyone except the teams owners, who will pocket millions in TV money and be able to run a team on about $300,000 a year.'"
You clearly haven't read what I posted earlier in the thread because it clearly answers most of these questions.
And you clearly don't know anything about how an NRL club operates.
But here goes anyway...
[iWhat will they be called?[/i Who cares.
[iWhere will they play?[/i At a new modern stadium to be built in Port Moresby loosely based on Skilled Park and to be built by the government.[i
What happens when the best players are signed to NRL teams?[/i Good, hope they do. Just like NZ players the more players playing NRL for any number of clubs the better. But this club will be able to pay high wages if it wants to and that money will go a LOT further in PNG than in Australia so in real terms they will be able to compete with Australian clubs for their home grown players very adequately.[i
What happenss to the NRL if these 300,000+ players turn out to be good? Are the days of megawages over....I mean why pay a Billy Slater if you can get a decent player for $25,000 a year?[/i Firstly, the NRL minimum wage is $55,000 at present so that's not going to happen. Secondly, you answered your own question previously. If clubs are fighting for these players their price will go up. Just as it does for all other players, like Billy Slater.
[iHow will the NRL players feel about visiting one of the worst places to live, with a murder rate 27 times that of Sydney, where kidnapping is fast becoming a national sport, where violent crime is rife? Who picks up the tab for the security/insurance that will be required?[/i I don't know how every single player will "feel" about it, probably the same as they do when the Test team or PM's XIII go there every year, but the stadium will have secure accommodation and training facilities where the visiting teams will stay so it's not an issue. Other security costs etc would be minimal. But if it does require extra security I guess this is where some of those jobs will be created that you deny will be created.
Additionally...
The bid team's development work has already seem a 50% increase in student attendance in boys at schools where they have re-introduced RL to school sport.
This will be the most high profile entity in the country and when dealing with an issue like HIV, which is essentially all about raising awareness about the problem and how to mitigate it, a club with that kind of profile is about the best tool they could have.
And the club itself will employ any number of people. And that's just direct employees of the club. On top of that you have the stadium construction and other associated infrastructure development, staff to work in the stadoum and village, as well as on-going services like catering etc for when games are played. Plus the money flowing to players and other local staff will be spent locally and, as we know from professional PNG players from the past, they put a lot of their money back into their local communities. The financial benefits are significant.
And the "owners" won't be pocketing millions. The bid will actually provide more money TO the NRL than it will recieve via the PNG TV rights which will be more than the NRL's annual club grant. | | |
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| Quote ="ECT"You clearly haven't read what I posted earlier'"
I have...I just can't believe you believe it will happen in the next few years. It won't.
Perth first, Q'land next, Adelaide 3rd (if you want the real TV deal) maybe NZ 4th.....by then you are looking at 2022 at the earliest.
Will the "Raskols" bid team still be as keen in 11 years time?
As for security costs being minimal 
People Traffiking, Drugs, prostitution, slavery, kidnapping, extortion, rape, theft, bank robberies.....all regular events in Port Moresby that I repeat, has a 50% rate of unemployment........$1 a ticket tops and TV rights? 85% of the country is involved in subsistance farming
...anyway, you are obviously better placed to comment on this than anyone else whern discussing what is needed in PNG....like for example:
unicef [urlhttp://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/papuang_25037.html[/url
red cross [urlhttp://www.redcross.org.au/howyoucanhelp_campaigns_HIVAIDS_PNGAppeal2006.htm[/url
we care [urlhttp://www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=49691[/url
.................to name but 3
JESUS WEPT.........even Quinsrl are helping out and you reckon they are ready for an NRL team
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If you read what I wrote why ask stupid questions like "where will the play" when it was clearly answered previously? Or stating they will "pocket millions" whenthey will actually provide millions to the NRL.
So you are either full of and you haven't read anything or you're just ignoraing the answers because they don't suit your simplistic "they are all poor" argument.
Adelaide and New Zealand don't even have a bid and you think they're going to get a team in the next decade? And you dare laugh at someone else? The PNG bid is not even for the next round of expansion, which if you knew anything about the bid you would realise. If the NRL allowed them in in 2022 they'd be more than willing and able.
And you are quick to point out the problems in PNG, but when the government there says an NRL team will help deal with some of these problems you say no, they can't have one. Genius.
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| Quote ="ECT"If you read what I wrote why ask stupid questions like "where will the play" when it was clearly answered previously? Or stating they will "pocket millions" whenthey will actually provide millions to the NRL.'"
...so they won't receive money from the TV kitty.......they will pay the NRL to take part? Yep, that's a sustainable business model I can see lasting
Quote ="ECT"IfSo you are either full of poop and you haven't read anything or you're just ignoraing the answers because they don't suit your simplistic "they are all poor" argument. '"
You're mistaking an argument for stating FACTS. PNG is a third world country........it is not able to and should not be considering a bid for any professional sports team BEFORE it sorts its problems out.
Quote ="ECT"Adelaide and New Zealand don't even have a bid and you think they're going to get a team in the next decade? '"
Both would bring more to the NRL than the embarrasment that would be a PNG team...seriously, you can't believe that an NRL team would be like mother theresa waiving her healing hand 
Quote ="ECT"And you dare laugh at someone else? '"
Tell you what......let's laugh together shall we?
Port Moresby: Population 225,000 (at a stab...NO PUN INTENDED ), national average wage $850 a year = $191,250,000 total income for residents of the city.
Wellington (metro) Pop 180,000 national (median*) income $30,000 per year...5,400,000,000 (Billion) income for EVERY* resident in the city regardless of age.
So, just shy of 200 million or 5.5 billion...which one interestes advertisers (that's where your TV money comes from BTW)
NB: PNG pop 6,500,000 x $850 a year = 5.5 billion.....shame there's roads into Wellington and not Port Moresby eh...Quote ="ECT"The PNG bid is not even for the next round of expansion, which if you knew anything about the bid you would realise. If the NRL allowed them in in 2022 they'd be more than willing and able. '"
Hmmm.....if I knew anything about the Bid? I take it the article below is incorrect then. 
[urlhttp://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/heat-on-nrl-as-bid-war-mounts/story-fn6ck6f9-1226081903917[/url
Quote ="ECT"And you are quick to point out the problems in PNG, but when the government there says an NRL team will help deal with some of these problems you say no, they can't have one.'"
Yeah.....this is the same PNG government that will miss EVERY TARGET set it by the international aid bodies that give it cash yearly......I trust them already 
Quote ="ECT"Genius.'"
Nope...realist.
The residents of soweto LOVE SOCCER.....funnily, I haven't seen the Premier League, La Liga, Bundersleage or anyone else falling over themselves to tap into the huge potential advertising revenue by getting a team in there.  ....that's because they aren't the demographic the TV Advertisers want. I have seen pre-season tours though.......do many NRL teams do pre-season on PNG
Put simply, an NRL Bid document can cost upwards of $100,000 to produce......that money would be better spent by being given to unicef. I repeat...$850 a year is the average income of a PNGian.........
Look...you are so obviously passionate about this subject, but rather than saying "I Know nothing about it" or that "I am full of shi7", why not accept that the PNG bid, now or in 10 or even 25 years years time, is fraught with danger and potential for complete failure. Get them to sort out all the problems first............an NRL team is not the answer. | | |
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| Quote ="Diracula"There's more to the game in Australia than the NRL, dear.
You obviously [ineed[/i reminding.'"
lol nah
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the only real issue seems to be one of timing regarding there entry in the nrl
they are zero chance next time around....
but by the next TV deal they can be an excellent chance and indeed a front runner if all the promises made are fullfilled
the benefits to int. RL would be fantastic as would the passion of the PNG people for the game
stanley genes tears after their WC game shows what im talking about
a PNG NRL license would be fantastic for their nation, for the NRL and for the greater game as a whole
its up to the bid team and their government to put all the pieces together into a compelling bid
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| Quote ="gutterfax"...so they won't receive money from the TV kitty.......they will pay the NRL to take part? Yep, that's a sustainable business model I can see lasting
You're mistaking an argument for stating FACTS. PNG is a third world country........it is not able to and should not be considering a bid for any professional sports team BEFORE it sorts its problems out.
Both would bring more to the NRL than the embarrasment that would be a PNG team...seriously, you can't believe that an NRL team would be like mother theresa waiving her healing hand
Tell you what......let's laugh together shall we?
Port Moresby: Population 225,000 (at a stab...NO PUN INTENDED
), national average wage $850 a year = $191,250,000 total income for residents of the city.
Wellington (metro) Pop 180,000 national (median*) income $30,000 per year...5,400,000,000 (Billion) income for EVERY* resident in the city regardless of age.
So, just shy of 200 million or 5.5 billion...which one interestes advertisers (that's where your TV money comes from BTW)
NB: PNG pop 6,500,000 x $850 a year = 5.5 billion.....shame there's roads into Wellington and not Port Moresby eh...Hmmm.....if I knew anything about the Bid? I take it the article below is incorrect then.
[urlhttp://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/heat-on-nrl-as-bid-war-mounts/story-fn6ck6f9-1226081903917[/url
Yeah.....this is the same PNG government that will miss EVERY TARGET set it by the international aid bodies that give it cash yearly......I trust them already
Nope...realist.
The residents of soweto LOVE SOCCER.....funnily, I haven't seen the Premier League, La Liga, Bundersleage or anyone else falling over themselves to tap into the huge potential advertising revenue by getting a team in there.
....that's because they aren't the demographic the TV Advertisers want. I have seen pre-season tours though.......do many NRL teams do pre-season on PNG
Put simply, an NRL Bid document can cost upwards of $100,000 to produce......that money would be better spent by being given to unicef. I repeat...$850 a year is the average income of a PNGian.........
Look...you are so obviously passionate about this subject, but rather than saying "I Know nothing about it" or that "I am full of shi7", why not accept that the PNG bid, now or in 10 or even 25 years years time, is fraught with danger and potential for complete failure. Get them to sort out all the problems first............an NRL team is not the answer.'"
So you ignore all the things that the bid team has in place to deal with every issue.
And instead you just go back to slandering the people and the country instead of considering how the team will actually help deal with some of the issues there.
I shouldn't expect any less from a union troll I suppose. | | |
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| Quote ="dally messenger"lol nah'"
So it's not that you'd forgotten such things, it's that you're genuinely that dim?
That's ... impressive, in it's own way.
Quote great thread contribution anyway'"
Modesty prevents me from anything other than simply noting: they generally are, yes. | | |
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Quote ="dally messenger"Have u been to cronulla?
PNG can easily support an NRL team
u are just dead wrong sorry'"
Many times. What is your point?
The fact that Cronulla have been on borrowed time for too long has no bearing on PNG's bid does it?
Cronulla are a throwback and would have probably been gone by now if it were not for the SL War.
They will not be around in another decade.
I see your points for PNG's inclusion.
Much of it is pie in the sky, many teams have promised to build stadiums I believe, only a few have delivered.
Sponsors are not locked in until they put their money down and talk is cheap.
The Government does not have any money, they are broke and rely on handouts from aid and Mining royalties.
Who is financing the Stadium?
John Ribots Super League "vision" delivered on how much of its promises to make Rugby League a "World" game played in a major way in the USA? Do you believe all of the spin you are fed?
Australian Government travel advice for PNG.
[iWe advise you to exercise a high degree of caution in Papua New Guinea because of the high levels of serious crime.
Pay close attention to your personal security at all times and monitor the media for information about possible new safety or security risks.
Crime rates are high, particularly in the capital Port Moresby and in Lae, Mt Hagen and other parts of the Highland provinces.
Following recent murders in the town of Popondetta in Oro Province, law and order has deteriorated. The potential for more violence exists. Travel to Popondetta, and on the road between Popondetta and Kokoda, may be dangerous. You should be extremely vigilant when travelling in and around Popondetta.
In June 2011, there were a number of recent violent incidents in Central and Southern Bougainville. You should exercise a high degree of caution when travelling in Bougainville, with particular vigilance when travelling beyond Buka into Central and Southern Bougainville.
Ethnic disputes continue to flare up around the country. Disputes can quickly escalate into violent clashes. Such clashes not only create danger within the immediate area but also promote a general atmosphere of lawlessness, with an associated increase in opportunistic crime.
Large crowds and public gatherings should be avoided as they may turn violent.
Car-jacking is an ever-present threat, particularly in Port Moresby and Lae. Car doors should be locked with windows up at all times and caution should be taken when travelling after dark. In the evening or at night, we recommend you travel in a convoy.
There have been a small number of high profile kidnappings for ransom.
A cholera outbreak continues in PNG and the number of affected regions around the country is expanding. The PNG National Department of Health has confirmed cases of cholera in Morobe Province, Madang Province, East Sepik, West Sepik, Southern Highlands, National Capital District (Port Moresby), and in Daru, Western Province. See the Health Issues section for more information.
Wet season is from November to May. During the wet season flooding and landslides have resulted in deaths. Roads can become impassable. Check with local sources on the condition of roads and the likely impact of rain before travel.
[/i
Finally, in the last few weeks.
[iAustralian Government warns travellers visiting PNG[/i
australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
[iBody at PNG PM's home had throat cut[/i
news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-na ... 1g5er.html
[iPNG police boss wants his officers to shape up[/i
www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=61089
[iAusAid staff in PNG welcome extra security measures[/i
australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
Sounds great, maybe a Holiday vacation in paradise and while there book a Corporate Box for the game for $20.00
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Quote ="dally messenger"Have u been to cronulla?
PNG can easily support an NRL team
u are just dead wrong sorry'"
Many times. What is your point?
The fact that Cronulla have been on borrowed time for too long has no bearing on PNG's bid does it?
Cronulla are a throwback and would have probably been gone by now if it were not for the SL War.
They will not be around in another decade.
I see your points for PNG's inclusion.
Much of it is pie in the sky, many teams have promised to build stadiums I believe, only a few have delivered.
Sponsors are not locked in until they put their money down and talk is cheap.
The Government does not have any money, they are broke and rely on handouts from aid and Mining royalties.
Who is financing the Stadium?
John Ribots Super League "vision" delivered on how much of its promises to make Rugby League a "World" game played in a major way in the USA? Do you believe all of the spin you are fed?
Australian Government travel advice for PNG.
[iWe advise you to exercise a high degree of caution in Papua New Guinea because of the high levels of serious crime.
Pay close attention to your personal security at all times and monitor the media for information about possible new safety or security risks.
Crime rates are high, particularly in the capital Port Moresby and in Lae, Mt Hagen and other parts of the Highland provinces.
Following recent murders in the town of Popondetta in Oro Province, law and order has deteriorated. The potential for more violence exists. Travel to Popondetta, and on the road between Popondetta and Kokoda, may be dangerous. You should be extremely vigilant when travelling in and around Popondetta.
In June 2011, there were a number of recent violent incidents in Central and Southern Bougainville. You should exercise a high degree of caution when travelling in Bougainville, with particular vigilance when travelling beyond Buka into Central and Southern Bougainville.
Ethnic disputes continue to flare up around the country. Disputes can quickly escalate into violent clashes. Such clashes not only create danger within the immediate area but also promote a general atmosphere of lawlessness, with an associated increase in opportunistic crime.
Large crowds and public gatherings should be avoided as they may turn violent.
Car-jacking is an ever-present threat, particularly in Port Moresby and Lae. Car doors should be locked with windows up at all times and caution should be taken when travelling after dark. In the evening or at night, we recommend you travel in a convoy.
There have been a small number of high profile kidnappings for ransom.
A cholera outbreak continues in PNG and the number of affected regions around the country is expanding. The PNG National Department of Health has confirmed cases of cholera in Morobe Province, Madang Province, East Sepik, West Sepik, Southern Highlands, National Capital District (Port Moresby), and in Daru, Western Province. See the Health Issues section for more information.
Wet season is from November to May. During the wet season flooding and landslides have resulted in deaths. Roads can become impassable. Check with local sources on the condition of roads and the likely impact of rain before travel.
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Finally, in the last few weeks.
[iAustralian Government warns travellers visiting PNG[/i
australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
[iBody at PNG PM's home had throat cut[/i
news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-na ... 1g5er.html
[iPNG police boss wants his officers to shape up[/i
www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=61089
[iAusAid staff in PNG welcome extra security measures[/i
australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
Sounds great, maybe a Holiday vacation in paradise and while there book a Corporate Box for the game for $20.00
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Nothing is "in plce".......FFS....are you 3yrs old? Do you believe in the tooth fairy? Seriously, PNG's government are skint
Quote ="ECT"And instead you just go back to slandering the people and the country instead of considering how the team will actually help deal with some of the issues there.'"
WTF? SLANDER? Are you saying PNG isn't any of the things I have said?
Quote ="ECT"I shouldn't expect any less from a union troll I suppose.'"
Name calling...that's healthy. Ask around the Quins board about my Union troll credentials.........I am anything but. The only people who call me that are the ones I keep in my back pocket having made them look stupid.
PNG will not be a viable NRL team for 25 years + regardless of what you fantasists believe | | |
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Quote ="Jonesy"Many times. What is your point?
The fact that Cronulla have been on borrowed time for too long has no bearing on PNG's bid does it?
Cronulla are a throwback and would have probably been gone by now if it were not for the SL War.
They will not be around in another decade.
I see your points for PNG's inclusion.
Much of it is pie in the sky, many teams have promised to build stadiums I believe, only a few have delivered.
Sponsors are not locked in until they put their money down and talk is cheap.
The Government does not have any money, they are broke and rely on handouts from aid and Mining royalties.
Who is financing the Stadium?
John Ribots Super League "vision" delivered on how much of its promises to make Rugby League a "World" game played in a major way in the USA? Do you believe all of the spin you are fed?
Australian Government travel advice for PNG.
[iWe advise you to exercise a high degree of caution in Papua New Guinea because of the high levels of serious crime.
Pay close attention to your personal security at all times and monitor the media for information about possible new safety or security risks.
Crime rates are high, particularly in the capital Port Moresby and in Lae, Mt Hagen and other parts of the Highland provinces.
Following recent murders in the town of Popondetta in Oro Province, law and order has deteriorated. The potential for more violence exists. Travel to Popondetta, and on the road between Popondetta and Kokoda, may be dangerous. You should be extremely vigilant when travelling in and around Popondetta.
In June 2011, there were a number of recent violent incidents in Central and Southern Bougainville. You should exercise a high degree of caution when travelling in Bougainville, with particular vigilance when travelling beyond Buka into Central and Southern Bougainville.
Ethnic disputes continue to flare up around the country. Disputes can quickly escalate into violent clashes. Such clashes not only create danger within the immediate area but also promote a general atmosphere of lawlessness, with an associated increase in opportunistic crime.
Large crowds and public gatherings should be avoided as they may turn violent.
Car-jacking is an ever-present threat, particularly in Port Moresby and Lae. Car doors should be locked with windows up at all times and caution should be taken when travelling after dark. In the evening or at night, we recommend you travel in a convoy.
There have been a small number of high profile kidnappings for ransom.
A cholera outbreak continues in PNG and the number of affected regions around the country is expanding. The PNG National Department of Health has confirmed cases of cholera in Morobe Province, Madang Province, East Sepik, West Sepik, Southern Highlands, National Capital District (Port Moresby), and in Daru, Western Province. See the Health Issues section for more information.
Wet season is from November to May. During the wet season flooding and landslides have resulted in deaths. Roads can become impassable. Check with local sources on the condition of roads and the likely impact of rain before travel.
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Finally, in the last few weeks.
[iAustralian Government warns travellers visiting PNG[/i
australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
[iBody at PNG PM's home had throat cut[/i
news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-na ... 1g5er.html
[iPNG police boss wants his officers to shape up[/i
www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=61089
[iAusAid staff in PNG welcome extra security measures[/i
australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
Sounds great, maybe a Holiday vacation in paradise and while there book a Corporate Box for the game for $20.00
'"
You are forgetting that Dally Messenger is from Bradford and has never been to Australia
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Quote ="Jonesy"Many times. What is your point?
The fact that Cronulla have been on borrowed time for too long has no bearing on PNG's bid does it?
Cronulla are a throwback and would have probably been gone by now if it were not for the SL War.
They will not be around in another decade.
I see your points for PNG's inclusion.
Much of it is pie in the sky, many teams have promised to build stadiums I believe, only a few have delivered.
Sponsors are not locked in until they put their money down and talk is cheap.
The Government does not have any money, they are broke and rely on handouts from aid and Mining royalties.
Who is financing the Stadium?
John Ribots Super League "vision" delivered on how much of its promises to make Rugby League a "World" game played in a major way in the USA? Do you believe all of the spin you are fed?
Australian Government travel advice for PNG.
[iWe advise you to exercise a high degree of caution in Papua New Guinea because of the high levels of serious crime.
Pay close attention to your personal security at all times and monitor the media for information about possible new safety or security risks.
Crime rates are high, particularly in the capital Port Moresby and in Lae, Mt Hagen and other parts of the Highland provinces.
Following recent murders in the town of Popondetta in Oro Province, law and order has deteriorated. The potential for more violence exists. Travel to Popondetta, and on the road between Popondetta and Kokoda, may be dangerous. You should be extremely vigilant when travelling in and around Popondetta.
In June 2011, there were a number of recent violent incidents in Central and Southern Bougainville. You should exercise a high degree of caution when travelling in Bougainville, with particular vigilance when travelling beyond Buka into Central and Southern Bougainville.
Ethnic disputes continue to flare up around the country. Disputes can quickly escalate into violent clashes. Such clashes not only create danger within the immediate area but also promote a general atmosphere of lawlessness, with an associated increase in opportunistic crime.
Large crowds and public gatherings should be avoided as they may turn violent.
Car-jacking is an ever-present threat, particularly in Port Moresby and Lae. Car doors should be locked with windows up at all times and caution should be taken when travelling after dark. In the evening or at night, we recommend you travel in a convoy.
There have been a small number of high profile kidnappings for ransom.
A cholera outbreak continues in PNG and the number of affected regions around the country is expanding. The PNG National Department of Health has confirmed cases of cholera in Morobe Province, Madang Province, East Sepik, West Sepik, Southern Highlands, National Capital District (Port Moresby), and in Daru, Western Province. See the Health Issues section for more information.
Wet season is from November to May. During the wet season flooding and landslides have resulted in deaths. Roads can become impassable. Check with local sources on the condition of roads and the likely impact of rain before travel.
[/i
Finally, in the last few weeks.
[iAustralian Government warns travellers visiting PNG[/i
australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
[iBody at PNG PM's home had throat cut[/i
news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-na ... 1g5er.html
[iPNG police boss wants his officers to shape up[/i
www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=61089
[iAusAid staff in PNG welcome extra security measures[/i
australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
Sounds great, maybe a Holiday vacation in paradise and while there book a Corporate Box for the game for $20.00
'"
You are forgetting that Dally Messenger is from Bradford and has never been to Australia
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| Quote ="gutterfax"PNG will not be a viable NRL team for 25 years + regardless of what you fantasists believe
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From what you've said, we would have to build a secure facility adjoining the playing stadium that would have space for living and training facilites for playing/coaching staff as well as "all inclusive" acommodation for away fans and media. There would also have to be complete segregation in the stadium for visiting fans.
One thing the above would create is a lot of jobs, which seem to be thin on the ground in port moresby, but if the Government are as skint as you say, none of this will be able to go forward. Unless tesco want to open a branch there, of course... | | |
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Quote ="Jonesy"Many times. What is your point?
The fact that Cronulla have been on borrowed time for too long has no bearing on PNG's bid does it?
Cronulla are a throwback and would have probably been gone by now if it were not for the SL War.
They will not be around in another decade.
I see your points for PNG's inclusion.
Much of it is pie in the sky, many teams have promised to build stadiums I believe, only a few have delivered.
Sponsors are not locked in until they put their money down and talk is cheap.
The Government does not have any money, they are broke and rely on handouts from aid and Mining royalties.
Who is financing the Stadium?
John Ribots Super League "vision" delivered on how much of its promises to make Rugby League a "World" game played in a major way in the USA? Do you believe all of the spin you are fed?
Australian Government travel advice for PNG.
[iWe advise you to exercise a high degree of caution in Papua New Guinea because of the high levels of serious crime.
Pay close attention to your personal security at all times and monitor the media for information about possible new safety or security risks.
Crime rates are high, particularly in the capital Port Moresby and in Lae, Mt Hagen and other parts of the Highland provinces.
Following recent murders in the town of Popondetta in Oro Province, law and order has deteriorated. The potential for more violence exists. Travel to Popondetta, and on the road between Popondetta and Kokoda, may be dangerous. You should be extremely vigilant when travelling in and around Popondetta.
In June 2011, there were a number of recent violent incidents in Central and Southern Bougainville. You should exercise a high degree of caution when travelling in Bougainville, with particular vigilance when travelling beyond Buka into Central and Southern Bougainville.
Ethnic disputes continue to flare up around the country. Disputes can quickly escalate into violent clashes. Such clashes not only create danger within the immediate area but also promote a general atmosphere of lawlessness, with an associated increase in opportunistic crime.
Large crowds and public gatherings should be avoided as they may turn violent.
Car-jacking is an ever-present threat, particularly in Port Moresby and Lae. Car doors should be locked with windows up at all times and caution should be taken when travelling after dark. In the evening or at night, we recommend you travel in a convoy.
There have been a small number of high profile kidnappings for ransom.
A cholera outbreak continues in PNG and the number of affected regions around the country is expanding. The PNG National Department of Health has confirmed cases of cholera in Morobe Province, Madang Province, East Sepik, West Sepik, Southern Highlands, National Capital District (Port Moresby), and in Daru, Western Province. See the Health Issues section for more information.
Wet season is from November to May. During the wet season flooding and landslides have resulted in deaths. Roads can become impassable. Check with local sources on the condition of roads and the likely impact of rain before travel.
[/i
Finally, in the last few weeks.
[iAustralian Government warns travellers visiting PNG[/i
australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
[iBody at PNG PM's home had throat cut[/i
news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-na ... 1g5er.html
[iPNG police boss wants his officers to shape up[/i
www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=61089
[iAusAid staff in PNG welcome extra security measures[/i
australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
Sounds great, maybe a Holiday vacation in paradise and while there book a Corporate Box for the game for $20.00
'"
cronulla have survived for 40 years as a poor club, crowds at 12k and a poor leagues club and they are still there ....so as i said if cronulla can do it PNG will shoot it in.
and as i said before this bid is a goer IF all the prmoises are met...
if they arent it isnt.
with their government behind it it stands an excellent chacne down the track if they deliver on these promises
its a shame their stadium will only be 25k and not 70k cause theyd fill that each week. |
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Quote ="Jonesy"Many times. What is your point?
The fact that Cronulla have been on borrowed time for too long has no bearing on PNG's bid does it?
Cronulla are a throwback and would have probably been gone by now if it were not for the SL War.
They will not be around in another decade.
I see your points for PNG's inclusion.
Much of it is pie in the sky, many teams have promised to build stadiums I believe, only a few have delivered.
Sponsors are not locked in until they put their money down and talk is cheap.
The Government does not have any money, they are broke and rely on handouts from aid and Mining royalties.
Who is financing the Stadium?
John Ribots Super League "vision" delivered on how much of its promises to make Rugby League a "World" game played in a major way in the USA? Do you believe all of the spin you are fed?
Australian Government travel advice for PNG.
[iWe advise you to exercise a high degree of caution in Papua New Guinea because of the high levels of serious crime.
Pay close attention to your personal security at all times and monitor the media for information about possible new safety or security risks.
Crime rates are high, particularly in the capital Port Moresby and in Lae, Mt Hagen and other parts of the Highland provinces.
Following recent murders in the town of Popondetta in Oro Province, law and order has deteriorated. The potential for more violence exists. Travel to Popondetta, and on the road between Popondetta and Kokoda, may be dangerous. You should be extremely vigilant when travelling in and around Popondetta.
In June 2011, there were a number of recent violent incidents in Central and Southern Bougainville. You should exercise a high degree of caution when travelling in Bougainville, with particular vigilance when travelling beyond Buka into Central and Southern Bougainville.
Ethnic disputes continue to flare up around the country. Disputes can quickly escalate into violent clashes. Such clashes not only create danger within the immediate area but also promote a general atmosphere of lawlessness, with an associated increase in opportunistic crime.
Large crowds and public gatherings should be avoided as they may turn violent.
Car-jacking is an ever-present threat, particularly in Port Moresby and Lae. Car doors should be locked with windows up at all times and caution should be taken when travelling after dark. In the evening or at night, we recommend you travel in a convoy.
There have been a small number of high profile kidnappings for ransom.
A cholera outbreak continues in PNG and the number of affected regions around the country is expanding. The PNG National Department of Health has confirmed cases of cholera in Morobe Province, Madang Province, East Sepik, West Sepik, Southern Highlands, National Capital District (Port Moresby), and in Daru, Western Province. See the Health Issues section for more information.
Wet season is from November to May. During the wet season flooding and landslides have resulted in deaths. Roads can become impassable. Check with local sources on the condition of roads and the likely impact of rain before travel.
[/i
Finally, in the last few weeks.
[iAustralian Government warns travellers visiting PNG[/i
australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
[iBody at PNG PM's home had throat cut[/i
news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-na ... 1g5er.html
[iPNG police boss wants his officers to shape up[/i
www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=61089
[iAusAid staff in PNG welcome extra security measures[/i
australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
Sounds great, maybe a Holiday vacation in paradise and while there book a Corporate Box for the game for $20.00
'"
cronulla have survived for 40 years as a poor club, crowds at 12k and a poor leagues club and they are still there ....so as i said if cronulla can do it PNG will shoot it in.
and as i said before this bid is a goer IF all the prmoises are met...
if they arent it isnt.
with their government behind it it stands an excellent chacne down the track if they deliver on these promises
its a shame their stadium will only be 25k and not 70k cause theyd fill that each week. | |
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oh and to add the melbourne storm will receive an additional $5 million pa from the NRL over other clubs for the next 5 years.
theres nothing stopping the nrl from giving the PNG club similar additional monies for the good of the game
after our next 2 TV deals well be flush with cash for projects like this.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Nothing is "in plce".......FFS....are you 3yrs old? Do you believe in the tooth fairy? Seriously, PNG's government are skint
WTF? SLANDER? Are you saying PNG isn't any of the things I have said?
Name calling...that's healthy. Ask around the Quins board about my Union troll credentials.........I am anything but. The only people who call me that are the ones I keep in my back pocket having made them look stupid.
PNG will not be a viable NRL team for 25 years + regardless of what you fantasists believe
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PNG has a viable and sustainable bid RIGHT NOW. They have everything covered in their bid.
And you think New Zealand and Adelaide are going to get a team WHEN THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A BID!
And you call others fantasists. FMD.
You're just like every other ignorant naysayer. You just like to point at the fact that the country is poor, they have problems blah blah blah. And when the bid presents very clear and viable solutions to any problems you just ignore them and trot out the same simplistic, ignorant nonsense about them being poor.
You didn't even know the NRL minimum wage was $55,000. So you have no credibility when you claim they can't support a team. You clearly have no idea what it would take to support an NRL team when you don't even know the pay structure at NRL clubs.
And on top of that you claim that an NRL team will bring no jobs or money to PNG. Once again, if you knew how many jobs an NRL team creates you'd realise how stupid this statement is. Any business turning over millions of dollars a year adds to the economy where it is based. That's just common sense.
And if you have to call on the fans of a dual code club to prove you're not a union troll and that's all you have to go on I'd say your case is very weak indeed. And the fact that Bazza agrees with you weakens it further. | | |
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| gutterfax - unless you agree with ECT you will be labelled ignorant/racist....its just the way he operates | | |
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"gutterfax - unless you agree with ECT you will be labelled ignorant/racist....its just the way he operates
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nah ive disagreed with him before
he knows what hes talking about here tbh
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loll
hey parra. | | | |
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....that's because they aren't the demographic the TV Advertisers want. I have seen pre-season tours though.......do many NRL teams do pre-season on PNG 
