Personally i blame Kevin Sinfield,

Only in rugby league would you get "supporters" of the game arguing over semantics in an attempt to make average attendances for a major tournament look smaller.

Some people just don't want the sport to be a success at anything.

Has this crap hijacked this thread too?

Two people, both Hull FC fans, seem to agree with Andy's comments.

Or if you're gutterfax, I assume it's just classed as one.

To me this became a debate about semantics. Some people arguing over averages for events, others for games. In the end I got tired of it, so if your discussing averages do it here, I don't imagine it will be very popular, once people have an option to avoid it. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=560730&tsmp=1383055182

To me this became a debate about semantics. Some people arguing over averages for events, others for games. In the end I got tired of it, so if your discussing averages do it here, I don't imagine it will be very popular, once people have an option to avoid it. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=560730&tsmp=1383055182

No you didn't. You can't choose to pay for each game, it's not your choice. You can either pay for both or neither.

I'd missed that people had took to arguing averages elsewhere.

I can't watch it all day, but if I find em, I'll move em.

Is this all you do now? Create exaggerated strawman arguments to argue with?

There's no point in arguing with that as you know full well that isn't what I said.

It's good to see that despite not seeing your post at all until you merged the threads, we've come to the same agreement (see my post earlier).

I still say you buy a ticket for an event.

Plenty of clubs play academy games as a warm up to a match. You don't have to play extra to watch the academy, it's all part of the same event.

It's either a 26 event competition or a 28 game competition.

You either count the total number at each event and divide by the number of events.
Or you count the total number watching each game and divide by the total number of games.


You don't in any world of maths take the total at each event and divide by the number of games.
Or the total at each game and divide by the number of events.

If there are games at half time are we going to include those in the mix too. Jes!

And he chose to pay for both, Not one, not the other, not neither but both. He bought a ticket for two things, not one thing, not zero things, but two things.

He bought a ticket for one event that included two games. He did not have a choice to pay for one game or they other. People that only had the intention of watching one game didn't have the choice to pay half price, so it can't be argued that you can pay £20 for one and £20 for the other.

It's one event.

Were the two previous threads on this not enough?

Is this what you do know? Dance around facts that don’t agree with you and pretend they are straw men?

You are ignoring the Wales V Italy game. You are not including it in your dataset. The same with the 2nd semi-final. Your dataset would show there were only 26 samples, yet we know there will be 28 games. It would show that whilst we knew there were 4 teams at the semi-final stage and 2 at the end of the semi-final stage only 1 game was played.

There is no straw man, no exaggeration it is actually what you are doing, choosing to strip out 2 samples from your data because you don’t like the results.

I can show you that right now, 5 games have been played and I can provide you with the 5 attendances for those games. Can you provide any evidence whatsoever to counteract the reported fact that over 45k people attended the England v Australia game and 45k people attended the Italy v Wales game?

Would you go to Mcdonalds and buy a box of 6 chicken nuggets, someone asks you how many chicken nuggets do you have? do you open the box look at the 6 chicken nuggets in there and say “well I bought them together, I couldn’t buy them separately, they all came for one price, I couldn’t eat some leave come back and eat the rest, i couldnt pay for only part of them. I couldnt only buy 5 if i only intended to eat 5, I didnt buy them independantly so I guess I have 1 chicken nugget”?

the point is people paid double the price of a normal single group game at other venues so the attendance should be counted for each game....

It was a clever ploy for once by the organisers to boost the crowds for both games by combining them at the same venue....

If you've not noticed, the elements on the other threads about this have been moved into one new thread to stop it flooding the other threads.

That doesn't mean each game was half the value of the ticket, so no I don't agree.

Does anyone remember the days when this forum used to be full of people talking about a sport that they care passionately about, rather than a bunch of maths geeks arguing about the best methodology and Excel formulae for counting empty seats?

It is a strawman because you're attempting to make me say something I'm not in an effort to make you sound superior and have an easier argument to win.

I have not ignored the Wales/Italy game. I have merged it with the England/Australia game into one event because in effect that is what happened. I'm not pretending one wasn't there. When you're not comparing like-for-like, you have to pick the way which paints the most accurate picture of your data, otherwise it's meaningless.

Pretending that 90,000 watched both games is statistically incorrect. At the same time, pretending that 22,500 watched each game is also incorrect. Merge then together as one event (which it was) will give you the most accurate statistic.


I don't know why you'd say it's because I don't like the results. I'd love for it to be true! But I'd be hypocritical to scoff at rugby union doing it and then agree with it when league does it.

And yes, I can counteract that. Quite easily. It's impossible to say how many attended each game when they've got a ticket for one event. There were definitely not 45k in attendance at Wales vs Italy as many left after the England game. That is why it would be unfair to say 90,000 attended both games. Just like it would be unfair to say 120,000 attended 4 games of the Magic Weekend. There is no way to tell how many are at each game.

No one has said that as far as I can see, 45,000 people watched both games, which if you can't see the difference then theres no point having the debate.