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| Quote ="SmokeyTA" It is infinitely more difficult for them to do that when the focus of the club is entirely on not finishing in the bottom 4.'"
You have completely missed the point again. They don't need to not finish in the bottom four, Finishing in the bottom four for 2 seasons wouldn't be a problem as long as they were good enough to come in the top four of the eight split. Fev get next to no money currently and have a youth set up, they run as many teams as superleague teams do. So if they can put out academy sides with no funding why would they scrap it with extra funding.
I trust the board at featherstone, I know the chairman and hes not daft. If we can cope on nothing in the championship I have no doubt us and other champ teams could cope financially in SL, certainly better than some of the current lot have
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"No you couldnt, the season+play-offs work entirely differently to a structure where the first 22 rounds are completely and utterly disregarded and a new 8 game season started.'"
So you play 23 games to get the chance to win something, as opposed to playing 23 games to get the chance to avoid losing something
Sounds similar to me
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"the 'history' you have added isnt 'missing' its just entirely wrong.
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So Celtic Crusaders didnt cease to exist? , so where are they now?
So the Crusaders didnt cease to exist? , so where are they now?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"No you couldnt, the season+play-offs work entirely differently to a structure where the first 22 rounds are completely and utterly disregarded and a new 8 game season started.'"
dont start that tripe again. your the only person who thinks that
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| Quote ="fevfan76"You have completely missed the point again. They don't need to not finish in the bottom four, Finishing in the bottom four for 2 seasons wouldn't be a problem as long as they were good enough to come in the top four of the eight split. Fev get next to no money currently and have a youth set up, they run as many teams as superleague teams do. So if they can put out academy sides with no funding why would they scrap it with extra funding.
I trust the board at featherstone, I know the chairman and hes not daft. If we can cope on nothing in the championship I have no doubt us and other champ teams could cope financially in SL, certainly better than some of the current lot have'"
and again you keep forgetting, possibly deliberately, that right now Fev have to try and be the best of a bunch of semi-pro sides who also get 0 funding and they were comfortably beaten by an SL basketcase. Under the new structure they will be competing with sides that get just over 3 times their funding, and if they get through that, they will be competing against teams who get three times the funding and probably three times the attendances, much much more in corporate and sponsorship.
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| Quote ="fevfan76"dont start that tripe again. your the only person who thinks that'"
the first 22 rounds are disregarded, thats not an opinion it is a fact. Every team will start again on 0 points.
And it is different from a play-off which you need to qualify for, and the position that you qualify in effects your route to the final. Again that isnt opinion it is fact.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So Celtic Crusaders didnt cease to exist? , so where are they now?
So the Crusaders didnt cease to exist? , so where are they now?'"
Well Celtic Crusaders certainly didnt cease to exist in the year they reached the championship play-off final.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"and again you keep forgetting, possibly deliberately, that right now Fev have to try and be the best of a bunch of semi-pro sides who also get 0 funding and they were comfortably beaten by an SL basketcase. Under the new structure they will be competing with sides that get just over 3 times their funding, and if they get through that, they will be competing against teams who get three times the funding and probably three times the attendances, much much more in corporate and sponsorship.'"
Is it about teams, or clubs? ,make your mind up?
A well run efficient growing club? , or a basket case club with a succession of idiots running it?
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| Quote ="Starbug"So you play 23 games to get the chance to win something, as opposed to playing 23 games to get the chance to avoid losing something
Sounds similar to me'"
The league then knockout structure is popular throughout the world. It is used in most of the biggest competitions in the world.
I am not aware of any other structure in the world that part way through the season disregards previous points totals and starts a new league competition.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Is it about teams, or clubs? ,make your mind up? '" both
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A well run efficient growing club? , or a basket case club with a succession of idiots running it?'" What?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Well Celtic Crusaders certainly didnt cease to exist in the year they reached the championship play-off final.'"
That was 2007 , I said 2008
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"the first 22 rounds are disregarded, thats not an opinion it is a fact. Every team will start again on 0 points.
And it is different from a play-off which you need to qualify for, and the position that you qualify in effects your route to the final. Again that isnt opinion it is fact.'"
So the positions after those 22 games are sorted alphabetically?
population?
combined shoe sizes?
points accumulated?
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and again you keep forgetting, possibly deliberately, that right now Fev have to try and be the best of a bunch of semi-pro sides who also get 0 funding and they were comfortably beaten by an SL basketcase. Under the new structure they will be competing with sides that get just over 3 times their funding, and if they get through that, they will be competing against teams who get three times the funding and probably three times the attendances, much much more in corporate and sponsorship.'"
Who is this basketcase team that beat us comfortably ???
And who is this Part time team you talk of, cant speak for other champ teams but Fev will be full time from 2015.
If Fev can't break the bottom four of super league so be it at least they may have the opportunity
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"The league then knockout structure is popular throughout the world. It is used in most of the biggest competitions in the world.
I am not aware of any other structure in the world that part way through the season disregards previous points totals and starts a new league competition.'"
Yes and promotion and relegation is popular throughout the world as well
There have been several major competitions with more than 1 knock out group stage played on a league basis culminating in 1 final elimination match, so whats different?
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| Quote ="Starbug"That was 2007 , I said 2008'"
no it wasnt, they were promoted through franchising when it began in 2009.
They played in the 2008 championship grand final.
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Quote ="fevfan76"So the positions after those 22 games are sorted alphabetically?
population?
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points accumulated?'" The points are reset to 0. You can sort them at that point in to any order you want its not going to make a difference. Those 8 clubs then restart a new league.
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Who is this basketcase team that beat us comfortably ??? '" hth www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/match/rl3619046
Quote And who is this Part time team you talk of, cant speak for other champ teams but Fev will be full time from 2015.'" you can put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig. You can call Fev's squad full-time if you want. But that isnt a professional squad.
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If Fev can't break the bottom four of super league so be it at least they may have the opportunity'" Why? why does giving Fev an opportunity to be one of the worst sides in SL supersede the growth and stability of the game as a whole?
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population?
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points accumulated?'" The points are reset to 0. You can sort them at that point in to any order you want its not going to make a difference. Those 8 clubs then restart a new league.
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Who is this basketcase team that beat us comfortably ??? '" hth www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/match/rl3619046
Quote And who is this Part time team you talk of, cant speak for other champ teams but Fev will be full time from 2015.'" you can put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig. You can call Fev's squad full-time if you want. But that isnt a professional squad.
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If Fev can't break the bottom four of super league so be it at least they may have the opportunity'" Why? why does giving Fev an opportunity to be one of the worst sides in SL supersede the growth and stability of the game as a whole?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Yes and promotion and relegation is popular throughout the world as well'" not really. Yearly P+R in this format or the previous ones used are almost exclusive to European Soccer. Outside that most major sports dont have anything comparable.
Quote There have been several major competitions with more than 1 knock out group stage played on a league basis culminating in 1 final elimination match, so whats different?'" like?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"no it wasnt, they were promoted through franchising when it began in 2009.
They played in the 2008 championship grand final.'"
You said the Crusaders ( not Celtic ) played in 2009 ,make your mind up?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"not really. Yearly P+R in this format or the previous ones used are almost exclusive to European Soccer. Outside that most major sports dont have anything comparable.
like?'"
The biggest team sporting event in the world perhaps?
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| Quote ="Starbug"You said the Crusaders ( not Celtic ) played in 2009 ,make your mind up?'"
its at the top of this page you silly banana. You even quoted it
is this where we see you pretend to get confused again?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"The points are reset to 0. You can sort them at that point in to any order you want its not going to make a difference. Those 8 clubs then restart a new league.'"
Lol I mean the 22 games are not irrelevant, they sort out the positions in the league.
Quote ="SmokeyTA"www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/match/rl3619046'"
Yet still better than many SL teams did against them last season
Quote ="SmokeyTA"you can put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig. You can call Fev's squad full-time if you want. But that isnt a professional squad. '"
Getting paid full time to do a job is professional
Quote ="SmokeyTA"Why? why does giving Fev an opportunity to be one of the worst sides in SL supersede the growth and stability of the game as a whole?'"
speculating again, you forgot to put "in your bias opinion"
Whywould Fev being in SL not help the growth of the game - go on real of another load of bull from your mind and speculation. look into your crystal ball you have and tell me our attendance would be crap because were from a hamlet. That we would end up skint and that players such as Hardaker, Burrows and briscoe still wouldn't play for us.
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| Quote ="Starbug"The biggest team sporting event in the world perhaps?'"
Which one?
The NFL has a league then play off structure, the football world cup has a league then play-off structure, the Champions league has a league then play-off structure, as does the NBA, NHL, NRL, RUWC, RLWC.
The Cricket World cup has a very wierd system that kind of has two leagues parts of it but its universally derided as a pretty crappy system.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"its at the top of this page you silly banana. You even quoted it
is this where we see you pretend to get confused again?'"
Its you who is confused, Celtic Crusaders and the Crusaders are/were 2 different clubs
One cheated by playing players on dodgy VISA s financed by RFL development grants and played in Bridgend
The other went bump playing out of Wrexham and didnt pay loads of its players wages
Roaring success's both wouldnt you say?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Which one?
The NFL has a league then play off structure, the football world cup has a league then play-off structure, the Champions league has a league then play-off structure, as does the NBA, NHL, NRL, RUWC, RLWC.
The Cricket World cup has a very wierd system that kind of has two leagues parts of it but its universally derided as a pretty crappy system.'"
The football world cup has 2 group stages played on a league basis, it used to have 3 at one point, the Champions league had 2 also at 1 point
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| Quote ="fevfan76"Lol I mean the 22 games are not irrelevant, they sort out the positions in the league. '" But you have already said Fev arent going to compete to win the thing or for the play-offs, so quite literally those games are irrelevant.
Quote Yet still better than many SL teams did against them last season'" not really, London were by far the worst team in SL last year and would have finished bottom if not for Salford appealing their punishment for having too many men on the field
Quote Getting paid full time to do a job is professional'" it takes more than that to be a pro RL player. As i said, you can call them pro if you want. But it doenst change the fact. If someone paid me to be an RL player, i still wouldnt make an professional RL player
Quote speculating again, you forgot to put "in your bias opinion"
Whywould Fev being in SL not help the growth of the game - go on real of another load of bull from your mind and speculation. look into your crystal ball you have and tell me our attendance would be crap because were from a hamlet. That we would end up skint and that players such as Hardaker, Burrows and briscoe still wouldn't play for us.'" There wasnt speculation or an opinion in there. It was a question. Hardaker, Burrow and Brsicoe still wouldnt play for you for the same reason Greg Inglis doesnt play for leeds, because they have contracts elsewhere, and two of them have never played for you
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