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| Quote ="Neville Bartos"Is 'moron' more English for you?
You're a moron.'"
Took the words right out of my mouth
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| Quote ="Craig_UK"Yes thicko a tour every 2 years. Do you understand how that works? The aussies would come here, then 2 years later we go there, then 2 years after that they come here again, easy enough for you? The person that pointed out we play every year, well i think he doesn't understand either.'"
How would this work if they have a world cup every 4 years thicko?
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| Quote ="Craig_UK"Yes thicko a tour every 2 years. Do you understand how that works? The aussies would come here, then 2 years later we go there, then 2 years after that they come here again, easy enough for you? The person that pointed out we play every year, well i think he doesn't understand either.'"
Ahhh, so that's what you meant to type. You probably shouldn't have typed "go back to getting the aussies here every 2 years and us go there" then, what with it being the complete opposite of what you say above.
I'll try to give you an example since you're struggling:
You stated you want to "go back to getting the aussies here every 2 years", so let's start at 2010:
2010 - Aussies here
2012 - Aussies here
2014 - Aussies here
2016 - Aussies here
What years are we over there to maintain this 2 year programme? Have you invented a new calendar?
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| Quote ="Chorlton RL"Right, ok, discussion involves listening to the other persons point and understanding what they're saying, not trying to ignore everything they say.'"
Im not ignoring you. You provided a link that talked about attendeces in 2003 etc.
I have been talking about attendances in the 90's and how good they were at big stadium. You then make a comment about "DW to Wembley" and back up what i said about the big stadia used in 1990, sorry but i dont get what your point is.
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| Quote ="Craig_UK"Yes thicko a tour every 2 years. Do you understand how that works? The aussies would come here, then 2 years later we go there, then 2 years after that they come here again, easy enough for you? The person that pointed out we play every year, well i think he doesn't understand either.'"
Right, thank you for making that clear. I agree that proper GB tours down under would be good if theirs room and theyre done properly.
Now, back to you finding these stats where international rugby was selling out 60 thousand seater stadiums in the 80's and 90's...
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Ahhh, so that's what you meant to type. You probably shouldn't have typed "go back to getting the aussies here every 2 years and us go there" then, what with it being the complete opposite of what you say above.'"
I said a tour every 2 years, i think you didn't read and jumped the gun trying to be a smart chap.
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| Quote ="Craig_UK"Im sure if you use google then this will confirm the above.'"
Professor Brian Cox uses this answer all the time when someone questions him
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| Quote ="Craig_UK"I said a tour every 2 years, i think you didn't read and jumped the gun trying to be a smart chap.'"
No you said, and I quote, "they would need to scrap 4 nations and go back to getting the aussies here every 2 years".
Bless.
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| Quote ="Wheels"Right, thank you for making that clear. I agree that proper GB tours down under would be good if theirs room and theyre done properly.
Now, back to you finding these stats where international rugby was selling out 60 thousand seater stadiums in the 80's and 90's...'"
Are you saying i am making it up that there was 55-60k at wembley in 1990? I was there, it is a fact!
I think you are new to RL, we even had 65k there for the world cup final in 1995, so please dont try and be a smart @rse.
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| Quote ="Craig_UK"God some young kids eh.
The attendances were approx, 57k, 46k, 35k and also games against wigan 25k, Saints 15k, Leeds 16k
Im sure if you use google then this will confirm the above.'"
Next year they will doubtlessly have a game a saints new ground, theres 18k for you.
The 57k and 46k were at Wembley, where we will get another attendance within that range.
I don't buy all this international RL was amazing in the 80's line, because in reality, those figures are nothing that we cant currently achieve right now.
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| Put it this way, if 25,000 people got a ticket for $15au (10 pound tixs), that's $370,000au before any of the other people are added.
Still good money isn't it.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"No you said, and I quote, "they would need to scrap 4 nations and go back to getting the aussies here every 2 years".
Bless.'"
Oh yes apologies i was wrong, when i said a tour every 2 years i assume that everyone on here knew how tours worked but i forget there are also people on here that dont know much about rl and its history. But once again, sorry i did say aussies every 2 years.
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| Quote ="Craig_UK"Oh yes apologies i was wrong'"
Don't mention it, just have a little think before pressing Submit.
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| Quote ="Wheels"Do you have the stats to back this up then?'"
Probably, although it'll likely be as scientific as his 85% stat.
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| Can I just point out that the pre 1996 tours worked because they took place during the off season of the touring country, but during the season of the country being played. If you tried to resurrect them now your only options would be: in the off season of both countries (in which case, who is the touring team going to play?) or during the playing season of both countries (in which case do you really think clubs are going to release players to go off, and possibly get injured, when they want them turning out the league/ cup for them)?
that is all.
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| Quote ="Wheels"Next year they will doubtlessly have a game a saints new ground, theres 18k for you.
The 57k and 46k were at Wembley, where we will get another attendance within that range.
I don't buy all this international RL was amazing in the 80's line, because in reality, those figures are nothing that we cant currently achieve right now.'"
What are you talking about?
Ok education time, we used to play 3 games against the aussies called test matches. In between those test matches they would also play the top league clubs. So the figures i quoted for 1990, were Test 1 @ Wembley 57k, Test 2 @ OT 46k, Test 3 @ Elland Road 35k.
If you have no knowledge of the past please try and do some research before coming out with nonsense about international not being strong in the 90's
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| Quote ="Craig_UK"Are you saying i am making it up that there was 55-60k at wembley in 1990? I was there, it is a fact!
I think you are new to RL, we even had 65k there for the world cup final in 1995, so please dont try and be a smart @rse.'"
I'm 24. I Saw my first game in 1987, my first RL memory in 1994, and I've been a RL journalist for 18 months, if that qualifies my opinion for you.
You are complaining that we got good crowds in Wembley back in the 90's, and you are complaining that we are about to get another good crowd at Wembley this weekend. Yes?
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| Quote ="Wheels"I don't buy all this international RL was amazing in the 80's line, because in reality, those figures are nothing that we cant currently achieve right now.'"
This. The only way to grow the game is by playing in larger stadiums and gaining a larger audience -which will lead to more sponsors and more income. 40-50k this year, could well be 60k next year at Wembley. However, it needs to be a regular occurrence, we should not wait 14 years for the next international at Wembley.
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| Quote ="tb"Can I just point out that the pre 1996 tours worked because they took place during the off season of the touring country, but during the season of the country being played. If you tried to resurrect them now your only options would be: in the off season of both countries (in which case, who is the touring team going to play?) or during the playing season of both countries (in which case do you really think clubs are going to release players to go off, and possibly get injured, when they want them turning out the league/ cup for them)?
that is all.'"
Why can't they do the tour in 4 or 6 weeks at the end of the season, just like they do for 4 nations? I understand they can't do the full blown 10 week tours like they used to but a watered down version would be great to get GB back and some hunger for GB v Aus in front of big crowds!
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| Quote ="Craig_UK"What are you talking about?
Ok education time, we used to play 3 games against the aussies called test matches. In between those test matches they would also play the top league clubs. So the figures i quoted for 1990, were Test 1 @ Wembley 57k, Test 2 @ OT 46k, Test 3 @ Elland Road 35k.
If you have no knowledge of the past please try and do some research before coming out with nonsense about international not being strong in the 90's'"
I'm well aware of what games were played where, and who watched them, thank you very much.
We're about to have a big crowd at Wembley, and at Elland Road, so in reality your argument is pretty flawed if you ask me.
So when you you propose we play these full on tours again?
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| tours are dead thats why
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| Quote ="Wheels"I'm 24. I Saw my first game in 1987, my first RL memory in 1994, and I've been a RL journalist for 18 months, if that qualifies my opinion for you.
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You are a journo, wow! Maybe a little studying of the history of RL would help your career.
First you doubt very much we achieved those attendance figures and the fact that RL was strong and got good crowd in the 90's, when i then give you the figures you still doubt it because you weren't born.
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| Quote ="Craig_UK"Why can't they do the tour in 4 or 6 weeks at the end of the season, just like they do for 4 nations? I understand they can't do the full blown 10 week tours like they used to but a watered down version would be great to get GB back and some hunger for GB v Aus in front of big crowds!'"
Hang on, 5 pages ago you were slating the RFL for 'watering down' International RL! You can't have it both ways mate...
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| Quote ="Wheels"Do you have the stats to back this up then?'"
Why come out with this then you clown?
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| Quote ="Craig_UK"Why can't they do the tour in 4 or 6 weeks at the end of the season, just like they do for 4 nations? '"
And this achieves what? The season's over, players are on holiday (actually most are returning to start thinking about preseason training for the 2012 season). Again, who would the touring team play, outside of the tests?
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