Players like Wilkin and Graham should be promoting the game not slagging it off at every opportunity. Small minded players, the club seems to breed them what with Cunningham hardly playing for his country then retiring from international footie despite being the best hooker we've produced for a generation and Wilkin and Graham disinterested in the bigger picture. Small town club, small minded attitude to the game I hope Leeds stuff them at Old Trafford.

I have real problems understanding why anyone can object to the grand final idea of that the winner is not the true champion. every major sport including soccer use it(World cup & European cup both qualifying leagues then knockout) even the leagues in Europe can be seen as a qualifiying competition for the champions league which is a league with a knock out finals.
As for being only done fore the finances? well yes we are a profesional sport it is the only reason the clubs exist now & do people think Sky or any other broadcaster would pay as much when the champions could in theory be known two thirds into the season? they have advertising to sell.

One thing I would sugest is that the league leaders trophy should actualy be the lid of the Superleague trophy so if you win both you have the complete trophy in the cabinate.An idea I had after I heard Mr McClenan say that they had got the lid now lets get the rest when interviewed on TV)

What's more it takes a special kind of team/player/coach to produce a winning performance in front of 75000 fans in a one-off, winner takes all game. Being consistent in regular league fixtures is an achievement, but doesn't in itself make you a champion team or champion player.

Im a huge fan of the grand final concept for sporting as much as financial merit.

It's possible but they would have to beat 4 of the top teams in the league to achieve that, which would still take to skill and can't all be down to luck. I feel that any team that can overcome those odds deserves to be rewarded.

I said ' world class sport ' , there is only one , and in most if not all those competitions they use a league system to decide their Champions

What is that one and only world class sport?

Association football

Don't they use a mixture of league and knock out to decide the best team in Europe and globally at both club and international level?

You mean the World CUP , and what was originally the European CUP

We have CUP competitions that involve the luck of the draw as well

But League competitions dont involve a draw but are straight competitions against all the other teams in your LEAGUE

You mean the Champions League?

Yes it is now called the Champions LEAGUE , but it is not a genuine League competition , It was changed for financial reasons and has devalued the winning of individual country's premier competitions

Formula 1 is a "world class" sport, but that doesn't have play offs either.

I do think it quite amusing that posters often referred to as "flat cappers" seem to support the idea of a new system of determining the champions while others are praising the play offs "because it's been like that for most of RL history".

Who you calling a ' flat capper ' You , you , flat capper you

Maybe our caps aren't as flat as we thought they were!

Really???

Is this going to turn into a Boca/River Plate argument?

So it's a league but not a league, for champions who are not champions? The sport is a laughing stock!!!!!

No it's a cup , in a league you play everybody in it , in a cup you are drawn against some of the other clubs in it , they might call it a league , but it's not

And yes teams that are not ' champions ' play in it

Like Super League?


What a joke! That'll never work!

So it's a cup but it's called a league? And it's called the "champions" league but you don't have to be a champion to be in it? That sport is a laughing stock.

It certainly is

Except the actual league parts that virtually all country's have

And what about the Football League's promotion and relegation system, where the top two teams are autmatically promoted and the next four PLAY OFF for the remaining spot ?

Meaning that a team that potentially finishes 7th could jump somone who finished 3rd ...

I don't see too many soccer fans bleating about it, apart from Phil Neal when it happend to him.