Yes, he has played in more matches for Bradford, but how many minutes has he played, was he on the bench a lot at the beginning of his career?

The idea that Keith Senior is one of the best two centres of Super League is a complete joke. He was not as good as Gidley. But most important, he was not as good as Steve Renouf.

The best Super League team is:

[iSam Tomkins (Wigan)

Jason Robinson (Wigan) Steve Renouf (Wigan), Jamie Lyon (St. Helens), Martin Offiah (London)

Trent Barrett (Wigan)
Andrew Johns (Warrington)

Paul Sculthorpe (St Helens)
Sam Burgess (Bradford) Jamie Peacock (Bradford)
James Graham (St Helens), Keiron Cunningham (St Helens), Adrian Morley (Leeds)
[/i

Your Vainikolo, Carney, Briers, Newlove, Gidley and Senior belong in the second and third best teams.

Whilst I agree wello, as good of a guy as he is, is probably somewhere position 5-10 in the list of superleague fullbacks, (I think I'd put him 4th but that may just be redvee sentiment :p) to say he isn't the best fullback in saints superleague history is a bold claim! Who do you think is better??? Don't let the sands of time dull his memory, he was top class in his day (and him not being able to maintain it, for more than a couple of seasons is probably the one reason he doesn't make it) model of consistency though.

My 13 (trying to take off the redvee specs)
1. Radlinski
2. Hall
3. Lyon
4. Senior
5. Vaikona
6. Sculthorpe (as was said 2 mos playing mainly stand off so it should be okay naming him here)
7. Lam
8. Anderson
9. Cunningham
10. Graham
11. Ellis (though he seems intent on working his way out of this list at hull...)
12. Peacock (was named in dream team 2 years on the run at second row so it should be fine)
13. Farrell

Paul Wellens
Ryan Hall
Leon Pryce
Michael Withers
Lesley Vainikolo
Danny McGuire
Paul Deacon
Stuart Fielden
Keiron Cunningham
Jamie Peacock
Paul Sculthorpe
Andy Farrell
Kevin Sinfield

James Graham
Chris Joynt
Rob Burrow
Paul Anderson

If I live to be 150 years old I still don't think I will understand why Joel Monaghan is so highly rated. Best of the Superleague era ffs?

Absolute nonsense. Renouf wasn't half as good as Newlove in Super League.

1. Stuart Spruce
2. Tevita Vaikona
3. Leon Pryce
4. Shontayne Hape
5. Lesley Vainikolo
6. Henry Paul
7. Robbie Paul
8. Joe Vagana
9. James Lowes
10. Stuart Fielden
11. Jamie Peacock
12. Bernard Dwyer
13. Brad McKay

14. Paul Deacon
15. Mike Forshaw
16. Brian McDermott
17. Paul Anderson

18. Sam Burgess

Not really...

I was just too cheerful a minute ago so I thought I'd depress myself.

I'd agree overall, however, toe-to-toe ('96-'03) I'd say there was very little in it.

Cunningham can't spin pass to his right, that should be the minimum requirement for a number nine.

If he would have gone for a trial at Melbourne, Bellamy would have said thanks but no thanks. Would prefer to have Ryan Hinchcliffe as my No.9. Cunningham is highly overrated.

1. Kris Radlinski
2. Ryan Hall
3. Jamie Lyon
4. Shontayne Hape
5. Lesley Vainikolo
6. Iestyn Harris
7. Sean Long
8. James Graham
9. Keiron Cunningham
10. Stuart Fielden
11. Jamie Peacock
12. Andrew Farrell
13. Paul Sculthorpe

No place for Michael Withers?

Haha. Overrated by 99% of players, fans,coaches and pundits who consistently rated him as one of the best hookers in the world and one of the best all-time SL players? You are literally the only person I have ever known to say he is overrated.

The more I read of your posts, the more I have to question how much you know/understand about the game.

Jack Reed has excellent hands - his problem is lack of speed. Check out the tries he set up for Josh Hofman last year for proof.

Sam Tomkins

Lesley Vainikolo
Keith Senior
George Carmont
Pat Richards
Trent Barrett
Sean Long
Adrian Morley
Shane Millard
Jamie Peacock
Sean O'Loughlin
Sam Burgess
Andy Farrell

Put Millard in there because i couldn't bring myself to name the fat bar-steward from St Helens.

I agree about Senior to a certain extent but you have players in here that you are rating for their rugby outside Super League.
E.g. Martin Offiah playing for London was not good enough for this team.
Same with Sam Burgess. He plays his outstanding rugby abroad, not in Super League.

1. Tomkins
2. Robinson
3. Carmont
4. Lyon
5. Vainokolo
6. Barrett
7. Long
8. Peacock
9. Cunningham
10. Graham
11. Burgess
12. Sculthorpe
13. Farrell

1. Kris Radlinski
2. Lesley Vainikolo
3. Jamie Lyon
4. Gary Connolly
5. Ryan Hall
6. Trent Barrett
7. Sean Long
8. James Graham
9. Keiron Cunningham
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Adrian Morley
12. Andy Farrell
13. Paul Sculthorpe

Very difficult, there are plenty to choose from.

Andrew Johns played a couple of games for Warrington. He was the greatest half back who ever lived. How can he not be in the team?

Keith Senior is only famous for boffing a cougar (an elderly woman) groupie who was not his wife, while on tour in Australia. He may he have been good at boffing. But as far as rugby league goes Lyon, Gidley, Newlove and Renouf were far superior.

1 Tomkins
2 Robinson
3 Lyon
4 Senior
5 Vainikolo
6 Barrett
7 Long
8 Graham
9 Cunningham
10 Peacock
11 Farrell
12 Menzies
13 Sculthorpe

He is remembered also for owning Barry-Jon Mather, although that wasn't SL it was the CC.

Yeah totally crazy that the most decorated full back in SL history, a MOS, Harry Sunderland and 2 Lance Todd trophies to go with the 15 trophies he lifted at Saints could be considered as the best full back of the SL era



On his day, Wello was a class player who could read a game better than anybody else I have seen - great under high ball, very good defensively and a good try scorer. His ability to read a game meant his lack of pace was rarely an issue and for that I think he could be classed as good as any other #1 that has played SL...was a tough call between him and Radlinski tbh as I rated them both very highly but dont find it that crazy he is up there at all

''greatest half back who ever lived'' - He was good but no that good. He played a handful of games so should not be considered.

Harris
Big Les
Senior
Lyon
Hall
Sinfield
Long
Peacock
Roby
Graham
Lauitiiti
Sculthorpe
Farrell

Fieldon
Graham
Barry Mac
Burrow(only there because I think he would run an absolute riot behind that huge pack of monsters and I think id really enjoy watching it)

He’s also remembered for more than 500 appearances, more than 200 tries, 2 challenge cup wins, being part of 5 grand final winning squads, winning 2 WCC, 43 international caps and 15 year career at the top of Rugby League.

Firstly, Andrew Johns got his d kicked by Hull in what his 3rd game, 2 game show pony who bottled it completely against a very good Hull side (but not outstanding)

1. Kris Radlinski
2. Lesley Vainikolo
3. Jamie Lyon
4. Keith Senior
5. Gareth Raynor
6. Trent Barrett
7. Sean Long
8. James Graham
9. Richard Swain
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Adrian Morley
12. Andy Farrell
13. Paul Sculthorpe