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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"If the new north American clubs are successful, and start up junior structures, and can get into the schools, then expect there to be a surplus of north American rugby league players in ten years. Many of those players will likely get contracts in the NRL and Super League, and some with the stronger Championship sides like Villeneuve, Widnes, Wakefield, and Leigh. Meanwhile the Aussies who can't get an NRL contract because of all the north Americans will also move to Super League or the Championship. It only needs four big cities like Toronto, Montreal, New York and Boston to be successful by 2023 and you will see north American players dominate our game in ten years.'"
" It's so nice to be insane , no one asks you to explain "
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"If the new north American clubs are successful, and start up junior structures, and can get into the schools, then expect there to be a surplus of north American rugby league players in ten years. Many of those players will likely get contracts in the NRL and Super League, and some with the stronger Championship sides like Villeneuve, Widnes, Wakefield, and Leigh. Meanwhile the Aussies who can't get an NRL contract because of all the north Americans will also move to Super League or the Championship. It only needs four big cities like Toronto, Montreal, New York and Boston to be successful by 2023 and you will see north American players dominate our game in ten years.'"
I agree with you Jean all the way mon ami.
If you take the example of Association Football and the MLS there's bags of North American footballers playing in all of the top European Leagues including the Premier and having qualified for next year's World Cup in Russia the USA are red-hot favourites to win it...I just don't understand why no one else can see this?
Oh hang on
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"moving the Halifax, Yorkshire, UK licence to Nova Scotia, Canada. '"
They could re-brand and re-invigorate their unpopular Blue Sox tag which would fit in with the transatlantic relationship. What about Halifax Nova Scotia Super Blue Sox?
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"I agree with you Jean all the way mon ami.
If you take the example of Association Football and the MLS there's bags of North American footballers playing in all of the top European Leagues including the Premier and having qualified for next year's World Cup in Russia the USA are red-hot favourites to win it...I just don't understand why no one else can see this?
Oh hang on'"
And remember the MLS spend millions. Has a good structure from high school and upwards although if you are poor from the black and Latin American community chances are you won't ever make it due to the crazy pay to play scheme.
It's gonna take way longer then 10 years to get North America producing top quality rugby league players and into the whole school system. We have to start somewhere though.
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| Quote ="kobashi"And remember the MLS spend millions. Has a good structure from high school and upwards although if you are poor from the black and Latin American community chances are you won't ever make it due to the crazy pay to play scheme.
It's gonna take way longer then 10 years to get North America producing top quality rugby league players and into the whole school system. We have to start somewhere though.'"
We do have to start somewhere, that is correct. Pity the fans of lowly Leigh can't grasp that. By contrast the fans of Super League bound terrific Toulouse are not complaining about Toronto and the emergence of clubs which will follow Toronto from north America, because Toulouse is confident in the strength of its French player base.
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| Its imperative that the game is taken to schools in America and Canada for the next generation of players to take up the game as Americans are for more professional than our rugby league playing youngsters who are more concerned with drug taking, drinking, falling out of nightclubs, beating up students and scribbling on their arms with biro than being proper professionals like the Americans. Americans also know the importance of an education whilst playing the game
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Quote ="Lebron James"Its imperative that the game is taken to schools in America and Canada for the next generation of players to take up the game as Americans are for more professional than our rugby league playing youngsters who are more concerned with drug taking, drinking, falling out of nightclubs, beating up students and scribbling on their arms with biro than being proper professionals like the Americans. Americans also know the importance of an education whilst playing the game
Regards
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[iEthan Westbrooks, pulled over for speeding near Bakersfield, Calif. Police found gun in his car and suspected him of carrying a stolen loaded firearm. Sean Smith, charged with felony assault for incident in Pasadena, Calif., on July 4. Accused of stomping on head of sister's boyfriend.[/i More examples here: https://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/
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Regards
King james'"
[iEthan Westbrooks, pulled over for speeding near Bakersfield, Calif. Police found gun in his car and suspected him of carrying a stolen loaded firearm. Sean Smith, charged with felony assault for incident in Pasadena, Calif., on July 4. Accused of stomping on head of sister's boyfriend.[/i More examples here: https://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/
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One good way to shut a troll up I suppose.
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One good way to shut a troll up I suppose.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"One good way to shut a troll up I suppose.'"
Yup, just quote facts in the most blandest way possible!
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Yup, just quote facts in the most blandest way possible!'"
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| I await a new poster joining from the USA with a certain Capdouze feel to his ramblings.
Its only a matter of time
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| Tom Edward Patrick Brady, is an American quarterback who was drafted in the 6th round of the NFL draft who later went on to become the GOAT. For the uneducated of rlfans, as a comparison, the 6th round is the standard of Wakefield, Huddersfield or Leigh. Americans have the work ethic that rugby league needs. When Tom Edward Patrick Bailey was only selected in the 6th round, did he turn to drugs? Did he beat up students? Did he resort to homophobic dialect? No, he got his down and through sheer hard work and determination became the best American football player ever. That's the demographic rugby league should be aiming at instead of drug taking, homophobic women beaters
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Regards
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Keep digging - you can literally smell the desperation in your posts lately
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[iA Great Britain and England international representative forward, he previously played for Bradford Bulls in the Super League. During his first spell at South Sydney, Burgess won the 2014 NRL Premiership, the club's first in 43 years, and was named winner of the Clive Churchill Medal for man of the match in the 2014 NRL Grand Final.[/i Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Burgess
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Regards
King James'"
[iA Great Britain and England international representative forward, he previously played for Bradford Bulls in the Super League. During his first spell at South Sydney, Burgess won the 2014 NRL Premiership, the club's first in 43 years, and was named winner of the Clive Churchill Medal for man of the match in the 2014 NRL Grand Final.[/i Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Burgess
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| In reply to the op,
What do the supporters of RL want and what do the RFL want from the game in 5/10/20 years time and, more importantly, how do they expect this to be achieved.
It does appear that the North Americans are trying to build something over there but is there really any appetite for a 10/12 club SL, which includes, say 2 french clubs and 3 "North American" clubs AND what effect would this have on RL in general and more importantly, RL in the UK.
Personally, I believe this model would kill the game in the UK and that if "we" are serious about "helping" the North American game, it has to be in addition to what we have and there has to be significant extra sponsorship to make it worth while.
We look as though we are going blindly into this and hoping for something good at the end, which could be the mother of all mistakes for RL in the UK.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"In reply to the op,
What do the supporters of RL want and what do the RFL want from the game in 5/10/20 years time and, more importantly, how do they expect this to be achieved.
It does appear that the North Americans are trying to build something over there but is there really any appetite for a 10/12 club SL, which includes, say 2 french clubs and 3 "North American" clubs AND what effect would this have on RL in general and more importantly, RL in the UK.
Personally, I believe this model would kill the game in the UK and that if "we" are serious about "helping" the North American game, it has to be in addition to what we have and there has to be significant extra sponsorship to make it worth while.
We look as though we are going blindly into this and hoping for something good at the end, which could be the mother of all mistakes for RL in the UK.'"
That's a sensible post.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"The arrival of licencing in some form appears to be imminent.
That will give the RFL the opportunity to fast track Toronto and Toulouse into Super League.
With that revolution achieved, it would be a wise move to consolidate the transformation of rugby league by moving the Halifax, Yorkshire, UK licence to Nova Scotia, Canada. Halifax NS has a population of over 400,000 which is ten times that of Casleford, ands nearly five times that of Halifax, UK. It is within a short flying distance of Toronto, and on the air routes to the UK. It is the home to Dalhousie University, an intellectual asset of which there is nothing comparable in Castleford, Leigh, Widnes etc. There is no major sports team in the city. Halifax NS will be the perfect complement to New York, Boston, and Montreal licences which are coming soon.
We will then be in a strong position to reconceptualise and even rename the RFL as the North Atlantic Rugby League.'"
That's an interesting concept, and makes a presumption that Halifax (West Yorkshire) would be granted an initial licence should the concept of licensing reappear. Bear in mind that the previous rounds of licensing only covered Super League. Also note that each professional club is not only a member of the RFL, but is run by a limited company registered in its home country. I would think that enforcing a geographical movement of membership of a club (with all that would mean for the associated limited company) between countries would probably be unlawful?
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"The arrival of licencing in some form appears to be imminent.
That will give the RFL the opportunity to fast track Toronto and Toulouse into Super League.
With that revolution achieved, it would be a wise move to consolidate the transformation of rugby league by moving the Halifax, Yorkshire, UK licence to Nova Scotia, Canada. Halifax NS has a population of over 400,000 which is ten times that of Casleford, ands nearly five times that of Halifax, UK. It is within a short flying distance of Toronto, and on the air routes to the UK. It is the home to Dalhousie University, an intellectual asset of which there is nothing comparable in Castleford, Leigh, Widnes etc. There is no major sports team in the city. Halifax NS will be the perfect complement to New York, Boston, and Montreal licences which are coming soon.
We will then be in a strong position to reconceptualise and even rename the RFL as the North Atlantic Rugby League.'"
Barry McKenzie (your first alias on here) would be proud of that post cobber..
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He has more names than a phone book
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That will give the RFL the opportunity to fast track Toronto and Toulouse into Super League.
With that revolution achieved, it would be a wise move to consolidate the transformation of rugby league by moving the Halifax, Yorkshire, UK licence to Nova Scotia, Canada. Halifax NS has a population of over 400,000 which is ten times that of Casleford, ands nearly five times that of Halifax, UK. It is within a short flying distance of Toronto, and on the air routes to the UK. It is the home to Dalhousie University, an intellectual asset of which there is nothing comparable in Castleford, Leigh, Widnes etc. There is no major sports team in the city. Halifax NS will be the perfect complement to New York, Boston, and Montreal licences which are coming soon.
We will then be in a strong position to reconceptualise and even rename the RFL as the North Atlantic Rugby League.'"
While were at it lets move Catalan to Barcelona, for the same reasons.
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| Quote ="leedsnsouths"While were at it lets move Catalan to Barcelona, for the same reasons.'"
Not a stupid idea if the circumstances were right.
If Catalans Dragons could guarantee at least 15,000 fans every week in Barcelona (they got 18,000 there for a one off game against Warrington), then moving there, assuming a decent stadium, would be a great development for rugby league.
The original club could be renamed Perpignan, and hopefully have great Super League local derbies with the new Barcelona-based Catalans Dragons and Toulouse Olympique.
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| If the potential for RL in France is so great, then why in the last 80 years hasn't a home-grown league managed to flourish to the extent that we're not now talking just about how SL can catch up with the NRL, but also Elite One? And looking forward to a nailed on Australia / France world cup final?
What's different now compared to the last 80 years+?
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| Quote ="HXSparky"If the potential for RL in France is so great, then why in the last 80 years hasn't a home-grown league managed to flourish to the extent that we're not now talking just about how SL can catch up with the NRL, but also Elite One? And looking forward to a nailed on Australia / France world cup final?
What's different now compared to the last 80 years+?'"
What's different now is the rise of a French-player based club named Toulouse Olympique, which will soon be in Super League. That rise to SL will put in motion a local derby that will attract fans, and a growth in the junior structure already in existence at Toulouse, and thus the growth of the French player pool divided between Catalans and Toulouse. Should Avignon in southeast France also join Super League, given its rich junior history, then the player pool will expand further, giving the French national team a world competitive roster of players by 2025-2027.
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| Quote ="HXSparky"If the potential for RL in France is so great, then why in the last 80 years hasn't a home-grown league managed to flourish to the extent that we're not now talking just about how SL can catch up with the NRL, but also Elite One? And looking forward to a nailed on Australia / France world cup final?
What's different now compared to the last 80 years+?'"
No Vichy Government?
Rugby league was banned in France 77 years ago. Clubs had all of their facilities, kits, equipment and money handed over to rugby union and volleyball clubs. French RL spent decades struggling after the ban was lifted. They weren’t even allowed to use the word “rugby” as part of their sport until 1991.
Whereas now RL is looking like it’s as strong or stronger in Southern France as it was in the 1930s when it was becoming highly popular.
I’m very pleased that Catalans stayed up and look forward to Toulouse’s rise. I too think the rivalry between those two sides will be great for the game.
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