Leeds fans quite clearly chanting "There's only one ginger B*****d" at James Graham. Chants are lasting longer and by more fans than the chanting at the Cas ground against Crusaders.
So when will this come before the RFL?

I'm not at all suggesting this, tb, and completely blame the idiots who gave abuse to Thomas for the situation that we now find ourselve in.
However, I think it is a reasonable comparison to make. The accusation that Cas failed to take action to firstly prevent and then stop the chanting I feel is unfair, but I would be interested to see what steps the Rhinos have done to prevent abusive chanting and then deal with this when it has occured in comparison to us, as the abusive chanting has continued throught the first half I'd suggest the club have done nothing to try and stop it. We were also criticised for failing to take action against the perpetrators, will the Rhinos be investigating and taking action against anyone found to have chanted foul-mouthed abuse at Graham?

E-mail to RFL:

"Dear sir/madam,
I am writing to complain about the consistent abusive and expletive-littered chanting directed towards St Helen's player Jame Graham in the first half of the above game. This game is being broadcast on national television, and is therefore being watched across the country by people of all ages, including children.
I first heard this abusive and expletive chant 6 minutes and 38 seconds into the game, and twice again before half time. Did the Leeds Rhinos club issue a statement to the crowd before the game to take steps to avoid such chanting? Nor between the abusive chants did I hear any announcment made to the crowd to try and stop the abusive chanting (the PA system can be heard when all other announcements are made) once it had occured after six minutes nor at any other time, despite the chanting being clearly audible to the TV audience and therefore within the stadium.
As I am currently watching the television with my daughter, I am unable to watch the remainder of the game as I do not wish her to hear such foul and abusive language. I hope that the Leeds Rhinos take steps to identify those responsible for the chanting and take action against them.
I would appreciate your response to this issue, and would be particularly interested to hear details of the steps that Leeds Rhinos have taken to firstly prevent and secondly the steps taken by the club to respond to this abusive chanting which in unacceptable in any sport."

=#8000FFWhat's the email address?

If that had been cas fans chanting that at graham our fans would get pulled from pillow to post.

Were the steward trying to prevent the chanting, have the club done enough to quell it. Was the respect CD played. Mmmm i wonder.

We are all under the same rules and regulations, or are we.

I'll be waiting with bated breath to see what the outcome comes of this.

enquiries@rfl.uk.com

enquiries@rfl.uk.com

can gingers give blood? gays cant, apparently there is something wrong with 'gay blood'

can gingers get married? can Gays?

has it been in only the last decade that gingers have been allowed to serve in the military? Gays couldnt

Adopt? Gays couldnt

get IVF?Gays couldnt


knowing these things, can you honestly say that anti-gingerism is as serious, widespread and damaging as homophobia

=#8000FFYes, people get murdered and shunned for being ginger, so it's a big problem, and the Leeds club did nothing to stop the chanting.

have you some examples of anti ginger murders?

I think you have missed the point. Cas didn't get fined because the chanting was homophobic, they were fined for failing to take steps to prevent or stop abusive chanting. The chanting aimed at Graham was abusive and contained foul language, I'm questioning whether Leeds had taken steps to prevent this or respond to it?
And to make it clear, I do not condone any abusive chanting. However, nor do I condone unfairness and in this case the procedure should be the same.

Quote ="SmokeyTA"have you some examples of anti ginger murders?'" www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... paign.html =#8040FF- forced to move after HATE campaign And it seems google don't have any reports but there have been a few news reports of ginger haired people being killed for being ginger./committed suicide on the back of hate campaigns. Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I think you have missed the point. Cas didn't get fined because the chanting was homophobic, they were fined for failing to take steps to prevent or stop abusive chanting. The chanting aimed at Graham was abusive and contained foul language, I'm questioning whether Leeds had taken steps to prevent this or respond to it? And to make it clear, I do not condone any abusive chanting. However, nor do I condone unfairness and in this case the procedure should be the same.'" =#8000FFThis, don't control your crowd get a fine, the precedent has now been set, stick to it RFL.

Quote ="SmokeyTA"have you some examples of anti ginger murders?'" www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... paign.html =#8040FF- forced to move after HATE campaign And it seems google don't have any reports but there have been a few news reports of ginger haired people being killed for being ginger./committed suicide on the back of hate campaigns. Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I think you have missed the point. Cas didn't get fined because the chanting was homophobic, they were fined for failing to take steps to prevent or stop abusive chanting. The chanting aimed at Graham was abusive and contained foul language, I'm questioning whether Leeds had taken steps to prevent this or respond to it? And to make it clear, I do not condone any abusive chanting. However, nor do I condone unfairness and in this case the procedure should be the same.'" =#8000FFThis, don't control your crowd get a fine, the precedent has now been set, stick to it RFL.

so no then?

=#8000FFTake it you never watch the news then? and did Leeds control the crowd? no because there were at least 4 offensive chants throughout the game lasting far longer then the "15 seconds combined" at Cas, and in far larger numbers.

read the rfls respect campaign and you will find that it is abuse.

has somebody who has been on many rfl courses including their anti bullying course its taken very seriously at junior club and can have massive repurcussions for any club or person found guilty of bullying.like ive said on another post they have opened up a can of worms and only have themselves to blame because they made the rules and they after act on them if their are any complaints.

and? there is no law against not being offended

i take it the news you watch is filled with stories of people being murdered because of being ginger but it being reported nowhere else

nobody has said bullying is ok

=#8000FFThere are laws against bullying & discrimination, which ginger chants fall into both, and did Leeds try and stop it? you can't answer that one can you? the RFL have set the bar now and they have to do it for every club, Leeds did nothing to try and stop it, that is now a fine based on what happened this week.



=#8000FFStop trying to justify the chants then

it doesnt, you are incorrect.

=#8040FFYes it does, you are incorrect.

Do people get suspended from school/work for abuse of gingers? yes, because it is offensive, abusive and bullying, is there an RFL anti bullying law? yes. Did Leeds do anything to try and stop the chanting? no.

this doesnt mean that chanting that graham is ginger is the same as homophobia, and as such doesnt require the same response.

You have just created yourself a little circular argument that proves nothing other than your inability to understand degrees of offence and the power of certain words, which is quite frankly ridiculous

=#8000FFCas were not fined for the homophobic chanting, they were fined for failing to stop it. Leeds did not stop offensive chanting, so under the same interpretation, that is a fine because Leeds FAILED TO CONTROL THE CROWD, that is what the fine should be for, NOT THE CHANTING.

And how can you say, really, that a ginger person doesn't find chants about him, by thousands of people more hurtful then a gay person does about gay chants, by 15 people, for a combined total of 15 seconds? You're the one who cannot comprehend the degrees of offence caused here.

abuse is abuse the same has murder is murder end of. try telling a verbally bullied ginger fat kid its any different to a gay man been verbally abused its exactly the same and you know it is any decent lawyer would take the rfl to the cleaners.

In this modern free spoken society
There is a word that we still hold taboo
A word with a terrible history of being used to abuse oppress and subdue
Just six seemingly harmless letters arranged in this way will form a word
With more power than the pieces of metal and that are forged to make swords
A couple of G's (GG) an R and an E an I and an N
Just six little letters all jumbled together have caused damage that we may never mend
And it's important that we all respect that if these people should happen to choose to reclaim the word as their own it doesn't meant the rest of you have a right to its use
So never under estimate
The power that language imparts
Sticks and stones may break your bones but words can break hearts
A couple of G's (GG) an R and an E an I and an N