The guy is the world heavyweight boxing champion. Its a sport person of the year award. Only modern sensitivities (and views like yours) could prevent a worthy contender like Fury from being nominated. If it is truly a sport personality award then Jesus we have given it to Murray who by his own words is a dull as a weekend in Worthing.

Murray is world no 2 unlike Fury, Hamilton, Mo, JIH, etc etc

I hope you enjoyed your sports equivalent of Question Time.


Ps did you not hear Fury apologise??

A national sport played by lots and watched by lots of women. Murray is good player by British standards as has been Kev. Kev spent 18 years getting battered though and coming through. From a pure sports perspective Kev by a mile.

To put it into a true sports perspective Sinfield would have had to be our stand out player in an England/GB team to win the rugby league world cup which we have not done for around 43 years now. Murray from an individual point of view has put 100% effort over the year to help his team win the Tennis World Cup something thats not been done for nearly 80 years.

Says a lot about the gin swilling establishment that runs the sport IMO. Tennis in this country is a joke...without Andy Murray we'd be in the bottom tier of Davis Cup tennis. Too many middle class daddies boys and girls with no real desire clogging up what little courts we have. With the amount of money swilling around in the game in this country we should have at least have 3 or 4 players from both genders in the top 30. Joke. Anyway enough of that £

RL did very well last night, well done to all that voted...a great night for the greatest games.

Not sure how you arrive at this criteria. The international arena does not make the sporting performance more worthy especially in this case where Murray when playing in the Davis Cup did not meet any of the other top players as they were not available for selection. True he played a vital role but that was against opponents way below his class. When he did play against the top players in the grand slams he failed to win. Murray was given the top last slot on the show and prime front row seat with plenty of camera exposure to enhance his chances so it was clear who they favoured.

The Team of the year award was given to a team dominated by one star man (Murray) so not a true team deserved win.

The only surprise was that the BBC didn't create an award for Andy's mum!

Impossible to compare the respective achievements IMO. Murray and co won something which they or someone else will win again next year. Sinfield led his team to a treble that is not likely - although may be - repeated for some time.

I reckon that the Scots - a bit like RL fans in that many have a chip on the shoulder with regard to the English establishment - would have voted for one of their own regardless of who it was. Which was clearly also the case for KS, given the number of votes he polled.
All the vote tells us is that there are more Scots than there are RL fans. I find it hard to be too upset they voted how they did, given their probable motive was somewhat similar.

My thoughts about Tyson Fury. Anyone who is at all familiar with boxing will know that fighters saying controversial things to get themselves talked about is as old as the sport itself. Hell even Ali wasn't above making the odd horrible comment. Especially when he was fighting Frazier.

Secondly the quote about homosexuality has been taken out of context somewhat. He doesn't "call homosexuals paedophiles" as I've heard people say. Besides, if those are his views, what gives anyone the right to punish him for them? Yes they are outdated and ridiculous, but he's just speaking his mind based on his beliefs. He's not going out spreading hatred, it was a slightly bizzare comment in a press conference. As for his sexist comment, in a nut shell he said Jess Ennis was hot and said women should be housewives. Again, a massively outdated view, but does this stuff really outrage people?

We often preach free speech in this country, but there is no such thing. He is what he is, those are his views, and he should be entitled to those views. Just the same as women should be entitled to exactly the same rights as men and gays and lesbians should be treat just the same as everyone else. You can disagree with him, debate with him, tell him he's a bigotted c**t, but I'm glad he was in the 12 and on the show, because banning him would go against everything the developed world is supposed to stand for.

Rant over.

Don't worry, they'll be drawing up a lucrative TV deal as we speak. They'll ease her in on BBC 2 with 'Judy Murray's Scottish Highlands' then will return full blown on BBC1 for 'Judy Murray goes monumentally mental in Malibu'.

They did a decent job of dishing out awards to the locals mind.

AP McCoy, Michael O'Neill, the Unsung Hero award...

The only thing missing was the presenters speaking Gaelic.

So SPOTY was a big and important thing - until Kev didn't win, and now it's worthy of scorn and derision; and fixed?

RL fans elevated themselves for a brief moment in coming together to support Sinfield's nomination - then quickly reverted to type when he came second. Ah well - it was good while it lasted.

Have you just sensationalised 1 or 2 tongue in cheek comments on here, are you a tabloid journalist by any chance?

Very true, shame about that, blinkers are back on!

Neither of those things.

Quote ="wire-quin"The guy is the world heavyweight boxing champion. Its a sport person of the year award. Only modern sensitivities (and views like yours) could prevent a worthy contender like Fury from being nominated. If it is truly a sport personality award then Jesus we have given it to Murray who by his own words is a dull as a weekend in Worthing. Murray is world no 2 unlike Fury, Hamilton, Mo, JIH, etc etc I hope you enjoyed your sports equivalent of Question Time. Ps did you not hear Fury apologise??'" I think when you've called for pedophilia to be legalised, told women their place is in a kitchen or on their backs and called two of your rivals "gay lovers", being Heavyweight champion of the World can't rescue you! www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/ty ... on-6791081 Quote "One of them is homosexuality being legal in countries, one of them is abortion and the other is paedophilia. Who would have thought in the 50s and 60s that those first two would be legalised"'" That's pretty unforgivable!

Quote ="wire-quin"The guy is the world heavyweight boxing champion. Its a sport person of the year award. Only modern sensitivities (and views like yours) could prevent a worthy contender like Fury from being nominated. If it is truly a sport personality award then Jesus we have given it to Murray who by his own words is a dull as a weekend in Worthing. Murray is world no 2 unlike Fury, Hamilton, Mo, JIH, etc etc I hope you enjoyed your sports equivalent of Question Time. Ps did you not hear Fury apologise??'" I think when you've called for pedophilia to be legalised, told women their place is in a kitchen or on their backs and called two of your rivals "gay lovers", being Heavyweight champion of the World can't rescue you! www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/ty ... on-6791081 Quote "One of them is homosexuality being legal in countries, one of them is abortion and the other is paedophilia. Who would have thought in the 50s and 60s that those first two would be legalised"'" That's pretty unforgivable!

Unsurprising comment from someone who thought RL fans too tribal to get behind one of our games greats in the interests of our game.

So you don't accept the apology he made to the nation on live TV last night?

Quote ="The Avenger"I think when you've called for pediphilia to be legalised, told women their place is in a kitchen or on their backs and called two of your rivals "gay lovers", being Heavyweight champion of the World can't rescue you! www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/ty ... on-6791081 That's pretty unforgivable!'" How about you actually find what he said in context. I'm paraphrasing here, but he says that he thinks the world will end if paedophilia is legalised. He talks about a trinity of evil (homosexuality, abortion and paedophilia) and says that two of them have already been legalised, which would have been considered crazy talk 50 years ago. So he says the idea that paedophilia one day being legal is not as outlandish as you might think, and the world will end when it happens. Ridiculous religious mumbo jumbo of course, but really not that offensive. Tbh I find the fact that you have effectively accused him of wanting paedophilia made legal based on misreading half a quote more offensive than what he actually said.

Quote ="The Avenger"I think when you've called for pediphilia to be legalised, told women their place is in a kitchen or on their backs and called two of your rivals "gay lovers", being Heavyweight champion of the World can't rescue you! www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/ty ... on-6791081 That's pretty unforgivable!'" How about you actually find what he said in context. I'm paraphrasing here, but he says that he thinks the world will end if paedophilia is legalised. He talks about a trinity of evil (homosexuality, abortion and paedophilia) and says that two of them have already been legalised, which would have been considered crazy talk 50 years ago. So he says the idea that paedophilia one day being legal is not as outlandish as you might think, and the world will end when it happens. Ridiculous religious mumbo jumbo of course, but really not that offensive. Tbh I find the fact that you have effectively accused him of wanting paedophilia made legal based on misreading half a quote more offensive than what he actually said.

Then you're too easily offended!

If that's the context in which he said that, which is not the way it's been widely reported all over the world, then as always I'm happy to be corrected. It's still a very stupid and ridiculous thing to say unless you agree that abortions under any circumstance, homosexuals and pedophiles are the same.

Even if we excuse his ridiculous, insulting and outlandish rant about the above three subjects that still leaves his silly misogynistic quote about women.

You defend him if you like but I'm pretty insulted by what he said!

I don't agree with a word of what he said, and I agree that its a shame that people still hold those views. I am also however strongly against censorship. So if that is how he feels then that's up to him, and I would have been disappointed if the heavyweight champ was banned from a sporting competition of sporting achievement purely because he said some things that people don't like. He hasn't commited a crime, he's just made some silly comments.

I really can't see how you're offended by my post yet you want to defend Tyson Fury www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sports ... -Holt.html Quote Since becoming world champion Fury has continued to attack Holt’s character, saying on Tuesday that ‘it was all misquotes’. Fury has also been filmed talking to camera - grinning as he sits with his entourage - making threats to Holt. This included saying: 'See "big Shane" there. He's 6ft 6in and 25 stone. He's going break his [Holt's jaw completely with one straight right hand. I won't do it as I'll get in trouble but the big fella there will annihilate him. 'Oliver, take a good look at him because that's the face you're going to see before you hit the deck. '[Turning camera to another member of his team And that's the face you're going to see when he's jumping on your head.' '" Real Sportsman of the Year material is Tyson!

I really can't see how you're offended by my post yet you want to defend Tyson Fury www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sports ... -Holt.html Quote Since becoming world champion Fury has continued to attack Holt’s character, saying on Tuesday that ‘it was all misquotes’. Fury has also been filmed talking to camera - grinning as he sits with his entourage - making threats to Holt. This included saying: 'See "big Shane" there. He's 6ft 6in and 25 stone. He's going break his [Holt's jaw completely with one straight right hand. I won't do it as I'll get in trouble but the big fella there will annihilate him. 'Oliver, take a good look at him because that's the face you're going to see before you hit the deck. '[Turning camera to another member of his team And that's the face you're going to see when he's jumping on your head.' '" Real Sportsman of the Year material is Tyson!

Quote ="The Avenger"I really can't see how you're offended by my post yet you want to defend Tyson Fury www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sports ... -Holt.html Real Sportsman of the Year material is Tyson!'" Your comment didn't offend me at all, it was tongue in cheek. Admittedly that doesn't always come across when written on a forum. We can agree that the man is an idiot, not the best role model (although the effort he has put in to get where he is cant be denied), and I admit that had he won a part of me would have been a little disappointed. However he achieved a great deal, even in a poor era for the division it is a huge thing to be heavyweight champ. The fact that people don't like his views shouldn't see him disqualified from the competition. If you disagree then that's up to you. Personally I think what Ryan Giggs did was worse than any thing Fury has ever said or done, but no one questioned it when he won.

Quote ="The Avenger"I really can't see how you're offended by my post yet you want to defend Tyson Fury www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sports ... -Holt.html Real Sportsman of the Year material is Tyson!'" Your comment didn't offend me at all, it was tongue in cheek. Admittedly that doesn't always come across when written on a forum. We can agree that the man is an idiot, not the best role model (although the effort he has put in to get where he is cant be denied), and I admit that had he won a part of me would have been a little disappointed. However he achieved a great deal, even in a poor era for the division it is a huge thing to be heavyweight champ. The fact that people don't like his views shouldn't see him disqualified from the competition. If you disagree then that's up to you. Personally I think what Ryan Giggs did was worse than any thing Fury has ever said or done, but no one questioned it when he won.

To be honest I think he needs to show a prolonged period of 'improvement'.....not just one apology which felt a desperate attempt to douse the flames both for him and the BBC who have also come under fire for this.

For those saying freedom of speech. Well yes but that applies both ways and people have the freedom of speech to criticise his views and believe he wouldn't be on the show. Personally think he should've been taken out of the show as it started to turn into a circus surrounding his involvement and having his named booed and having to issues apologies during his interview shouldn't be what the night involves. Also thought is was poor taste and unfair to Greg Rutherford that the BBC cut to him a couple of times during Fury's interview trying to obviously milk the heat between the two.

Giggs' win happened a year or two before all his antics came out.

Fair enough. I didn't realise it was that long ago that he won the award.