Feel free to go post exclusively on there then, not ONE SINGLE PERSON would miss you on here.

Because he can without any fear of moderation.

Fascism is forceable supression of individual opposition to a philosphy or movement marked out with strong dictatorial control.

Axey does not support the philosophy of the American dream nor the movement towards a Transatlantic Superleague.

He was forceably removed from making his views known, probably just after those who run the site started to tell posters they could not reply in negative terms to a thread on Toronto Wolfpack in which the general theme was they were wonderful and anyone who agreed to that could post but anyone not in disagreement could not.

That OK

My definition of fascism is more accurate than yours.

My account of why Gutterfax was banned — which happened years before anyone had even thought of a team from Toronto — is also more accurate than yours.

So it seems the whole conversation has now died on the basis of one person goading others to have an argument that is then stretched out to the point those who only want to talk RL are somewhat elbowed out by the goading - but also by replying to the goading. The solution is to complain to the mods, and if they feel no rules are broken then don't reply to the person. It seems that's where the problem lies, so I'd better stop replying to him. Shouldn't others?

They felt the fall out from that one way back in Chorley

Let's get back on track here in which trolling isn't replied to? (do we all agree?). Your right above but the issue is we are in a transitional phase from the RFL running the game to SL running SL, so it is now up to SL if they want to promote NA and French clubs and they do not. They do not want these clubs pulling players abroad and depressing crowds here.

When you say "selling" TWP, it's worth (now I have my 2019 RL yearbook) noting the lie as regards TWP's ability to draw the fans here. Leigh have been this last couple of years by far and away the biggest drawcard in the Championship followed by Bradford Bulls and Widnes. In contrast Toronto have been responsible for a significant number of below average crowds here.

Once they start losing in Superleague their pulling power will drop even further, hence the SBW stunt. What's notable beyond this is how they seem to be signing up their Championship side not just for 2020 but also 2021 as well. It all smacks of just going through the motions before SL have the power to axe them. For those who wonder why New York and Ottawa seem to have pulled right back from joining last year, this year or even next - well there is no point if TWP are to be axed for 2022 is there. Perhaps league Express and League Weekly should investigate?

Do you have any link to prove or disprove which club(s) were the biggest draw in the Championship last season ?

As for SL clubs not wanting their players to be "taken" by TWP, aside from stoking wage inflation, I dont see TWP as the enemy here.
The biggest threat on UK players moving away from SL is the NRL or Union and apart from on field success, there is little or nothing that the SL clubs can do to prevent this.

On the flip side, we certainly take far more from the NRL in terms of players than they do from SL and surely it's better if clubs are clever in how they manage their players and squads, although it's almost a given that, if a club over here unearths or re homes a gem from down under, they will be on their way back pretty damn quick if a decent offer comes in.
This may be negated slightly with the marque player rule but, we cant kid ourselves that any player would stay in SL if they believed that they could have a chance of success in Australia.

On the TV deal, I think that you are 100% correct, in that Toronto, despite the "dreamers'" regular wet dreams about N. American TV deals etc, they appear not to be wanted by Sky and although this could theoretically change if we were to move to a different broadcaster, I dont believe there will ever be sufficient interest over there to negotiate any TV deal, other than pay per view for some of the locals.

Having said that, I still believe that there would have been some mileage in "promoting" Toulouse, which, although likely to cause competition with Catalan, in terms of 2 clubs fighting over a relatively small number of French SL standard players. This could have increased interest in the game over there, which could only be a good thing in the longer term and a genuine French "derby" game would be a great "draw".

Finally, you seem more clued up on the potential negotiations of SL in terms of negotiating their own deal but, I guess we will have to see what Mr Elstone comes up with.
The next TV deal will be massive, in terms of what may happen to the sport over the next 5-10 years, almost do or die.

Toronto aren't wanted by SKY your right, they want English clubs to get English subscribers. That won't change if say BT bought the rights as they too need English subscribers as you intimate. May I say that Eric Perez said there was no point to TWP in Superlegaue on their own, as they would not create enough interest to attract a TV deal as Mr. McDermott recently confirmed. Mr. Perez said at least 5 clubs needed to be North American to get an NA TV deal.

So we lost London for TWP, we now only need to lose Wakefield for Ottawa, Cas for New York, HKR for Montreal and Hull for Boston and then the North American clubs can get a TV deal.

But we will of course have lost ours at the point that Superleague has only 8 English clubs which is too little for SKY.

The Transatlantic thing has been argued for years but the simple fact is it can't work, you can't satisfy broadcasters both sides of the channel at the same time.

I am sure Eric Perez claimed a first for his Transatlantic idea, but is the man really so stupid as to not understand that broadcasters won't go for it. The fact is he is NOT stupid but he thinks RL people here are!! All his remit ever was I'm sure was to ensure Argylle got a Superleague side. perez knows all these phoney NA consortiums aren't goint to waste $$Millions year after year which is what Argyle is doing......

If Toronto is successful in 2020 then expect another Canadian franchise bid, probably from Montreal, to follow Ottawa.

We don't have franchises..... That's why Perez bought the hemel stags.
Post as many soundbites as you like, but the reality has already been explained in here plenty of times already

Donnyman keeps posting that sky don’t want Toronto (if that was the case, there is no way they would have been promoted, but I digress..)

So what evidence does he have for this ludicrous statement. None of course. He is just the latest in a long line of anti expansionist trolls who have been shown up

So you being a pro expansionist troll is okay ?

Hilarious, you have so many logins, all of which you use to troll.

He's explained it a number of times, but those of you too thick to understand need a diagram drawn for you..
THE RFL admitted Toronto and the current TV deal declares that P&R remains for the duration. Toronto won Promotion, ergo they are up.


You and Jean need to buy shares in an irony meter factory the number of times you cause massive systems failure to them...

You have no evidence to support that ludicrous allegation.

Perhaps not, but maybe you have evidence to support that ludicrous allegation.

Thank you very much for this. six Superleague clubs did not want the current system especially the ones with the big owners (inc. Lenegan, Moran, Pearson, Davey, Koukash and McManus) so to stop Superleague wrecking it by controlling P & R, an agreement was drawn up that Superleague had to concede whoever won the MPG would go up and whoever came bottom of SL would go down. In short the RFL had the SL votes to force this (7 SL clubs voted for, six against),RFL devised system.

The power base changed however and the RFL quickly lost the votes and as we (well those of us interested and not trolling) can see Superleague have slaughtered the RFL and are set to to change the system for 2022 when the RFL will have no say in the TV deal. That is when Superleague clubs will decide on 10 or 12 clubs, overseas clubs or not.

On France the view of the powerful chairmen is they want to see France bring a French TV deal and develop quality French players in the same way we do here. They said this very openly to Toulouse a few years ago. It is therefore easy to assume if SKY money goes down it could be the end of France never mind the silly American dream.

What confuses this is Eamon McManus publicly came out on behalf of Superleague THIS AUTUMN and announced that Superleague chairmen did not want "a team antipodean and English players owned by an Australian dressed up as an American team" and he said they would prefer Toulouse being promoted instead (THE REALITY MAY WELL HAVE BEEN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE PREFERRED LONDON TO STAY BUT P&R LEGALLY HAD TO HAPPEN.)

The RFL forced SL to abide by the legally binding agreement p&r MUST HAPPEN and the WINNER must go up.

That agreement ends soon and SL will negotiate the new agreement and will decide the number of SL clubs and who they want. French clubs will be bottom of the list and NA clubs will not even be on it - does anyone not see that TWP have not bothered to prepare for Superleague and have signed the same team up again? Some of them significantly signed to the end of the current deal.

But the SBW stunt covers the reality. The American dream is dead come the new TV contract. Does anyone not see why NY and Ottawa just keep getting kicked down the road apart from you Axey?

oops, JeanSteph et al must have a lot of pairs of pants on, to have them collectively pulled down so admirably.

Edited for honest accuracy.

Cheap shot dishonest edit by a Leigh based troll.

you could just back your claim dimwit

I’m still waiting evidence that SL don’t want Toronto even though they have been promoted LOL

Oh that’s right, there is no evidence.

They are not going to come out and say it, see how it goes this season when Toronto get relegated Walt.