No-one has been passing round ANY begging bowl outside of Bradford. Nothing has been sought from outside Bradford.

If those from outside Bradford have chosen of their own free will to donate (and to all those who have, you are better men and women that most - thank you!) that is down to them.

You and Lister are doing a bloody good job of alienating Bulls supporters, who have no particular track record of attacking the London club.

Don't mistake me and Listy for being "normal" london supporters....same way I won't mistake bradfords problems being the result of ineptitude and bad management



The "begging" and emotional blackmail going around is distasteful to say the least.....Bradford should take it on the chin like other badly managed clubs with inept boards have done in the past....

BTW.......as tenants of the RFL, I don't see there being a snowballs chance in hell of you not being in ESL regardless of the shortfall in funds needed to keep you afloat.

Seriously.....I am harsher on my own club than I have been towards Bradford....and I have not had a pop at youtr fans....just your club

I won't.

Every London supporter I have ever met over the years (and I say this truthfully) has been a true fan and a credit to their club and the game. That is why I find the attitudes of you two so disappointing.

You sanctimonious knob. You have no idea what either listy or I have or haven't done for the club or the game but because we question your opinion, we aren't a credit to the clu and are not fans of the game.

thick ''eastern' swine if you please - norfolk born ,norfolk bred short in the arms and thick in the head !

why not face the reality - no one wants the London lot in SL,not even SKY (they don't even want Catalans either but are contracted to bring two live fixtures per season from the league which I suspect is the same for London) - the RFL gawd bless it guv,insists on 'expansion' so they keep on allowing the club to eat at the top table,they are persisting with the southern lightweights for the moment but even they will reach the point where even Red Hall will reallise the whole London exploit (like the TO13 exploit in the Championship) has been an abject failure and pull the plug.It's borrowed time mate,the end is nigh...

let them play around with the other minnows in the lower divisions,build up the club to something resembling a professional outfit and build a solid fanbase and then review their situation in say,ten years ? where's the problem ?

Broncos/Quins are clearly a failure so why doesn't that nice Mr Hughes trundle off to Odsal and throw away his dosh on a club with RL history,fans and a future worth fighting to save ?

definition of 'Worthy'


1. Having worth, merit, or value; useful or valuable.
2. Honorable; admirable:
3. Having sufficient worth; deserving:


can you see any of the above terms bearing any relevance to the London Broncos in their present state ?

please,be honest now !

Come on then dont let facts get in the way of a good story. Why not compare Fax and Londons attendances since SL started?

I dont even mind you comparing them since we dropped out of SL.

All of the above apply to London Broncos, at least as much as to Salford, Huddersfield, Wakefield and other 'heartland' clubs who have struggled to get gates above 5k for most of SL history.

true enough but most of them managed at least 2K !

I have a nephew who lives in Strawberry Hill,not a million miles from The Stoop you will admit - he reckons that the official figure of 1987 or whatever is pure fantasy - he put the crowd down to less than a 1000 !

so,what's actually going on ,eh ?

I'd say we're pretty much ****ed now. RL will thrive despite this club failing though, in London and beyond.

that's the ironic thing,RL is really taking off in the southeast (and East Anglia !) which is great but makes it even more baffling why people aren't turning out to see top flight RL !

it's a great sport / spectacle so what's the problem ?

It's so frustrating. Today - i switch on the telly and see blanket coverage of a frikkin' boat race, with the banks of The Thames packed with spectators. Tried Rugby Uinion on Sky Sports: and i mean really tried - to see the qualities in this game. You can see the difference in skills and fitness compared to RL. it's a total bore-athon. Yet, this game is head and shoulders over ours in terms of presentation and take-up and media coverage. I feel like doing this ........

join the club mate !

beats me too !

Terribly run club in just about every way. I wholeheartedly believe a SL club could thrive in the S.E. Just not run by these people and not within the M25.

Dont worry about it, mass popularity isn't everything. RU is unwatchable, half of the best selling music is terrible and so are the most watched TV progs.

I see. So, i should consider myself one of the lucky few who get to see the greatest game of all in splendid isolation from the masses? I like it. Makes me feel special

Well first of all, yes, honestly I can. Explain to me how they do not meet your 'definition' of being worthy to be in the comp that has applied to all other teams before?
Actually it seems you missed the point, I didn't say give me a definitiion, I said define it, this would of course be in relation to the topic discussion. However as another poster has mentioned one could easily apply that to other clubs previously and yet they were not forced out.
The only let down for quins is the attendances, but this in itself is not a measure solely enough to run a club out of business or the competition,. E very other aspect is acceptable accept the playing level for their own fans. They are competitive and have beaten an in form Catalans.
So, again please show me how the London team are not 'worthy' to be in the comp, be honest you can't can you?

yes, honestly I have missed the point

I really thought the criteria for being worthy of an SL place would be to be able boast a fairly healthy fan base and produce a reasonably competitive team without having to rely 100% on the generosity of a business tycoon

sorry for not understanding the concept of Super League affiliation - silly me

Worst run business I can think of.

Yes very silly, you're trying to apply rules to one club and one club only though so you obviously don;t understand the rules at all & therefore have nothing to back up your arguement then?
Healthy fan base I'll give you as mentioned but it isn't the be all and end all by any stretch.
Competetive team, so you don't class beating Catalans as competitive then because Cats are obviously the wooden spooners this season of course

How about the other teams that have finished in the bottom 3 or 4 in SL and getting pasted week in week out, some almost every year it seems yet Quins come in for special mention because you have something against them personally maybe like it appears many other RL 'fans'???
As for your last point re their financial backer, you've now debunked any credibility to your arguement, so according to you every single outgoing the quins/Broncos club is paid for by their backer? After all you did say they rely on their backer 100% did you not? By definition that is everything, no ommisions, he pays for the lot.

Somehow in the middle of your muddle I think you forget the SKY money, the SL competition money, sponsor monies, merchandise, admission sales, food/drink sales etc etc or was your 100% figure just another spiteful flight of fancy that you didn't actually think about like your whole concocted arguement???
C'mon, if you're going to start this you might as well put some effort in to show EXACTLY how the London club are NOT WORTHY to be in the comp....Please show workings out

no mate,seriously - you win

It's a pointless operation trying to convince someone with such inflexible ideas that the Broncos or whatver the latest product name will be is anything other than a great success !

you win,hands down - I have no argument

just to say about SKY money - that is a constant,along with salary caps and the number of tackles allowed in a set etc etc which,by definition applies to ALL clubs - all my perceived failings with the Broncos are just pie in the sky

no really,I apologise,you are quite correct - my best wishes for the success story which is the eerrghh Broncos



I would just like to repeat and earlier line which passed without comment - my nephew who lives just down the road fromp the Stoop at Strawberry Hill (about half an hours walk) attended the Catalans game (he's from catalunya and went to support the french) and he reckons there were [uless[/u than a thousand speccies present (certainly not 1869 or whatever) which means absolutely nowt as of course crowd numbers aren't an important factor it seems.

The usual the crowd was lower than stated Broncos are lying post. Why would the club lie? In any event Broncos and a London Superleague presence will be gone come the next franchise round so I don't know why so many feel the need to waste so much emotional energy on this done to death topic!

just going by what my nephew said mate - no hidden agenda,honestly - if you believe the figure quoted was accurate then that's ok with me.

my nephew has no axe to grind against the Broncos or any other team - he was very 'surprised' to hear the official figure that's all

regarding a club 'milking' (or lying in you words) about crowd numbers - well, just HOW naiive are you fella ?

it happens all the time - always has done and always will when circumstances dictate....

I've seen it and done it first hand at one particular club in an effort to impress the RFL not to mention local businesses or potential investors

I really don't care if you believe me or not but I have no reason to state something that isn't true for the fun of it.

As I said what a waste of emotional energy. But please don't state that you haven't said something that isn't true. Clearly without being there to physically count the numbers present or conduct an audit on the ticket office sales or season ticket vouchers received at the turnstile your nephew is expressing no more than opinion. Because you have an anti London agenda you have decided to take this opinion as the truth and nothing but the truth. Seriously it will all be over by the end of the 2014 season start looking for another crusade.

On the wider issue, you state that you have seen it done at first hand. Which club? Were you complicit? When was it? What are your sources that the overstatement of crowd numbers happens all the time.

please stop being so naiive

i'm certainly NOT anti London or anti anything - i'm very much pro expansionist and am often lambasted by the traditionalists who seem intent on maintaining RL as an exclusive M62 sport I but feel the present London set up has a serious problem - maybe a change of ground would help increase crowds ? maybe the club needs to be allowed to rebuild from the Championship and try SL again at a later date ? I wish I had a solution.
The RL development signs in the south east are very encouraging so maybe a serious London SL bid would be more realistic in a few years time when the game has had more time to develop - at the moment,for whatever reason the venture isn't working
having watched all the Catalan games in 2010 under Walters when the team was bottom of the league and morale on the terraces as well as in the dressing room was at an all time low and with a successful RU club half a mile down the road the Gilbert Brutus still managed 6K crowds in the last couple of home games
Problem I see with London is that even with a successful SL team the people still would be reluctant to turn out - why the apathy ?

if people are saying that crowd numbers are unimportant then so be it and good luck to London


regarding my personal affaires - if you 'pm' me I will gladly provide the info you require assuming that such information will remain confidential - it's a sensitive subject,especially at the moment.