Not heard that for years



But your quite right he is one of the half dozen idiots who constantly defend the indefencible.

Oh you mean like those that have just been proven to be true?

Im glad our chairman is a Fax fan. Hes also a solicitor so i would imagine that his comments wernt just made on a whim but who knows. Not like its going to come out in the wash is it.

No, I mean the ones that were unfounded, such as that the club were massively exaggerating crowds to try and impress the RFL, or that the team was made up entirely of Australians and contained no Welsh players. I never once defended the owners or made false claims about the financial status of the club, if you weren't so ignorant you would have seen this.

You have no idea , so you admit to being stupid ? , sounds about right

The Crusaders were doomed from the start , you did not have to ba an accountant to see they were unsustainable

probably never, but wait about 2 and a half years and they will promise to have it done for the next round of licensing !

I admit to not [iknowing[/i why the insolvency criteria was removed. I doubt you [iknow[/i either, but I also doubt that you're able to admit it or tell the difference between knowledge and speculation. You also appear to be unable to converse like an adult.

The RFL made it very, very clear that if sufficient progress was not made then they could de-franchise said team(s).

I take this to read that if a suitable candidate appears before the application date and if a "C" team is behind on its promise the RFL could "do a swap".

It will be interesting to see what happens if Halifax correct all the franchise "issues" and get a backer with some cash.

God I wouldn't want him representing me :

(1) he has made all sorts of assumptions based on limited knowledge of another clubs situation (afterall he hasn't seen our franchise application)

(2) says the RL have ignored their own rules re clubs going into admin, despite an announcement when Crusaders went into admin that it would not preclude clubs applying for a SL licence in the future (the clubs agreement to this was also probably with one eye on the image rights tax issue which if it goes against the clubs could push some other clubs down the admin route)

(3) Slates our ground but it is clear we have announced plans to upgrade it for 2012 and if the PI on NM goes our way, that will start being built next year. Plans seen and clearly approved by an independent firm of professional property consultants

(4) Says your results on the field have been better than ours - failing to recognise you have been playing in a different league and against part time opposition.

So to summarise, I would say he hasn't thought through his comments before making them today and may well regret them on reflection over the next few days.

Yes you do know , but because you have a penis stuck out of your head you won't admit it

I'm not sure that's strictly true but it would take a lot of effort (and it appears that the Scorpions, having started at the bottom, are making some progress).

It will need someone with money, who understands what appeals to the Welsh, who can produce some genuine welsh stars (and or some big name converts from RU who take well to RL in the mould of Davies, Gibbs, Quinnel etc), and who can win (at least their home games).

A big ask , but not impossible.

That will only happen if Wakefield or Cas do hit a major obstacle in their stadium plans. As such, if the the PI does fail next March (which looks unlikely), Wakefield will struggle to get an alternative stadium sorted within the franchise period and could dip out a year early because of this. I think Cas will have the full three years because their issue is funding and it could take a couple of years yet to get planning for Tesco on WR, but think it will happen. The RFL have to give them both chance to succeed and if they don't, then one or both are out on their ears.

And if both succeed , no more Championship clubs going up

Not sure they were always doomed but I think they were doomed when Moss and Roberts (I love the Wrexham FC fans version - Mo$$ & Robber) were allowed to do a phoenix with the club and the financial issues around Wrexham FC grew.

Talking of people who couldn't see the true picture... where is SmokeyTA?

That is not what the RFL have said! If I were a Bulls fan, I would be maybe thinking about setting up a fans stadium action group in the near future! Plus, lets not forget Quins, they need a massive turn-around if the RFL don't have the Wakey and Cas as whipping boys next time!

Also, lets be honest. If Featherstone & Barrow get sorted, which looks likley, then maybe you could bring back P&R.... just a thought!

The Wrexham move was grasping at straws , but straws won't keep you afloat

Wrong terminology Starbug mate... to have pointed out that Crusaders may not have been a sustainable club prior to today is apparently called 'death riding'... no straws involved!

Halifax, Leigh, Doncaster and Rochdale all have very good grounds.

If they could find a good backer and tick the boxes there is no reason why they couldn't challenge for a place.

Wakefield have been a good contributor to this league with the way they've played and the way they've managed to find room for players rejected by other teams.

" That is not what the RFL have said " , and you think that will convince Championship fans and potential investors ?

Yes the Bulls have a couple of issues , but seriously , not going to happen

So it's the Quins then , well perhaps we will find out if the no London , no SKY is really true

Either way , this will hit the Championships again , we have lost our ' biggest club ' and we might get the Crusaders in return , or maybe not , so that will make Leigh,Fax,Fev and Barrow with any kind of draw in the Championship ,

Leigh currently don't have an owner and today's decision won't help much to get one

Fax will be hit badly by this crowd wise I feel

Fev are struggling to bring in the fans at the moment due to a bit of trouble

Barrow are on a downward slide right now

At this moment we have 9 teams in the Championship for next year , that's 8 home games

We are 5 weeks from the end of the season and we don't know if anybody is being relegated or promoted or what the make up of the Championships will be next year , basically it is a shambles

These grapes are so sour, i can almost taste them! Some of the comments and assumptions regarding wakeys application are laughable, clearly ill informed. Sorry fax, but a shiny stadium is'nt everything thats taken into account! And you can have a bafe about about our administration fiasco all you like but, thanks to crusaders, it doesnt count for anything. So here's to another 3 years

You have the right user name don't you

If we can't put in a better application than the current set up at Wakey , then there is no chance

It's what rugby league is all about



I take it you look like your avatar

That would work for me under a reintroduced P&R system... but Starbug is right, where is the RFL going to try next instead... Newcastle maybe?