remind me again of the trophies Brough has lifted in his decade + career? Remind of the big games, the finals, the play-offs where Danny Brough has walked off the pitch having led his team around the field and led them to victory?

Cameron smith is one of the best players in the world, I'm not quite sure what point your making.

Bird could have moved to the Halves and been replaced with a Forward.
Farrah has played much of his career in the Halves
Cronk could go to Scrum Half and Inglis at Standoff with Lewis coming in on a Wing.
Many Australians are interchangeable.
Inglis has been Winger, , Stand Off and Fullback and Hayne is similar, at a pinch they could be Locks


Widdop has never been given a chance at Test level, his experience with the Storm should count for something.
What has Sinfield done in loads of Test besides getting MOM by home Judges against NZ a couple of years ago.

I don’t know if you have noticed but if Farah is playing Hooker and Smith is moved to stand off, he isn’t at hooker.

I didn’t say Smith couldn’t direct the play, I said he couldn’t do it from hooker. Which he can’t. you cant direct 2nd and 3rd phase play from acting half.

Widdop has 10 caps for his country, if you could point me to any time in those games he has looked like the world beater you claim.

1 more than Sam Burgess. What's your point. Brough was by far our half back this year. That should be what the coach is looking for wen choosing an England squad.

Widdop would not have been the same player he is now if he was at Wakefield or Castleford that he has become at the Storm so that is a useless point.

Who have England beaten to make the semi final?
Its a three Horse race.
Lost against Italy in a Warm up.
Played against the Australians that had not had a warm up with several players having not played for over a month and used England as a warm up.
Beat France, Ireland and Fiji in patches of good play and patches of play that was no better than the opposition made up of second stringers and park players.

New Zealand are the first real game they are having that counts for something against a team that will be going hard with class players across their team.

That and someone who actually was available to be selected, in case you missed it Brough chose Scotland 6 months befor the WC.

Quote ="christopher"Widdop has 10 caps for his country, if you could point me to any time in those games he has looked like the world beater you claim.'" What opportunity has he been given? www.rugbyleagueproject.org/match ... 0tLS0tLS0=

Quote ="christopher"Widdop has 10 caps for his country, if you could point me to any time in those games he has looked like the world beater you claim.'" What opportunity has he been given? www.rugbyleagueproject.org/match ... 0tLS0tLS0=

Why would he do that though if he though he may get a chance with England.

He knew he was not getting a chance and probably asked the question or was told so moved to his second choice.

My point on Widdop is as useful as yours regarding Sinfield being picked in the Storm side. i.e not very useful!

Who has NZ beaten to get to the Semi final? they were troubled by a Saomoan side who got hammered by Fiji a Fijian side which England hammered. What does this mean, very little.

England are going to be NZ's first test of this WC at least England have had a hard test against the best team in the world and only fell short by one try.

You sound like you idolise anything Antipodean.

His second choice? he's already played for Scotland before, and your key word is 'probably', which basically means you haven't a clue what went on.

Quite relevant actually, gained by providing a season of consistent and outstanding contribution on a football field throughout the season.

Golden Boot is subjective (look at the Aussie Wailing when Sinfield got it) and I would say the Golden Boot in this year's awarding of it was more akin to Ryan Giggs getting player of the year when he wasn't the best player that year (13 Premier League games for POTY?). It was a reward for consistent club form over a number of years, not for an outstanding season where he was better than everyone else.

I would say the Golden Boot is of far less relevance to Super League season by season. I can't imagine Sinfield has ever been close to Man of Steel throughout his career. Doesn't make him a bad player, just not a stand out which is what Brough must have been this year. On form but not selected.

My point is that Brough was awful in the play-offs, has been pretty much uniformly awful in every play-off series, and has never been the best half-back on the pitch in a final or play-off match. Brough clearly, at 30, hasn’t proved he has the mentality for the big game. That to me doesn’t demand the shirt from someone like Kevin Sinfield.

That losing Thurston is not an issue on the pitch as someone like Smith can walk into the half back role and play without loss to shape of the team, which is what you stated would not be the case. Okay, Paul Gallen probably wouldn't be able to do that but Smith was a bad example of you to use.

Quote ="Buggo"What opportunity has he been given? www.rugbyleagueproject.org/match ... 0tLS0tLS0='" Well that amounts to about 260 minutes games time (lets assume 20 mins minimum as a bench player) again if you could point out to me in those minutes anything he's done to make you think he's the answer to Englands prayers. And I'm saying this as a Gareth Widdop fan, he is a quality player.

Quote ="Buggo"What opportunity has he been given? www.rugbyleagueproject.org/match ... 0tLS0tLS0='" Well that amounts to about 260 minutes games time (lets assume 20 mins minimum as a bench player) again if you could point out to me in those minutes anything he's done to make you think he's the answer to Englands prayers. And I'm saying this as a Gareth Widdop fan, he is a quality player.

Lol,

Ryan Bailey

No argument.

I stated nothing of the sort, Smokey stated you can't control the game from the hooking position, and you seem to be in agreement with him.

Ryan baileys job is not to guide the team around the park, your point makes no sense

So the Golden Boot is subjective but the MOS isnt?

Did you think the Man of Steel was awarded by some kind of objective None Destructive Test grading?

He's got a lot more winners medals than Brough. Does that mean he's better (seemed to be the crux of your argument in the previous post).

Medals count for jack, it's the here and now that is important.

Ryan Bailey has done it zero times, he isnt much of a half-back.

It wasn’t his argument, it was mine, and that wasn’t even what I said.

If it’s the here and now that is important Brough would struggle to get in the Scotland side he was that appalling in the play-offs. The fact he was pretty decent early season is of no consequence to anyone.

And where was Brough on GF night?

I think that was more Smokeys point.

Do you really believe that in the last 12 months Sinfield has been better than Peacock, Charnley, Tomkins, Brough, Barba, C Smith, Thurston, SBW, Inglis and a whole host of other players on both sides of the world?

When he won the award there was uproar. When Brough won MoS a lot of well dones.

Take you Leeds hat off, use your head and not your heart and validate how worthy he was for the award on the basis of his skills as a footballer over the last 12 months.