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| Quote ="Guerrier"But Ashton was only on 12k at Wigan when he left, so the difference was huge.
From the figures being banded about, Joel may well be on 80k at Wigan so you'd expect the RU buggers to have to throw more money at him to persuade him over to the dark side.'"
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| Quote ="Ashulster"That's wild altogether, for someone untested in union whowasn't even fully developed in league to go into the top bracket of Premiership rugby earners seems a bit far fetched. Unless union really does have a few screws loose.'"
We all know he'll be in the England yawnion squad before he's even played 5 games too. |
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| Quote ="PopTart"There is no way Ashton was on £12k when he was at Wigan.'"
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"We all know he'll be in the England yawnion squad before he's even played 5 games too.'" That long?
Willie Mason played for the Baa,Baa's BEFORE he played for his club side. |
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Can't we just pick 15 guys to go play on their England side so they will leave us alone for a while.
I feel it's like when you turn up with a team and the other side has one less. You feel obliged to lend them one because they aren't a big enough team to compete.
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| Quote ="EHW"£400k is approx 10% of the Union salary cap. They wont be paying that to an lad who has never played the game in his life.
Ashton was on about £140k from what I hear - which seems a more reasonable amount for Joel Tomkins, that Wigan *should* be able to compete with.'"
The league cap is what, 1.4 million? The figure being bounded about is 400k a season for Joel. Now even if it was half that, there is no way any Super Duper League team can spend 200k on one player with the limitations imposed by the salary cap. |
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| Quote ="PopTart"There is no way Ashton was on £12k when he was at Wigan.'"
He was still on a youth contract. There were offers on the table from Wigan and Northampton and, with the RFU's help, Northampton blew the Wigan offer right out of the water. You have to balance out a player's value with how much of your cap space you're willing to give up to keep them. Nobody in RL thinks that Joel Tomkins is worth a full quarter of your salary cap. No player is. If it was a level playing field financially I don't think there'd be any debate about what Joel would do, but it isn't |
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| Quote ="Boris"The league cap is what, 1.4 million? The figure being bounded about is 400k a season for Joel. Now even if it was half that, there is no way any Super Duper League team can spend 200k on one player with the limitations imposed by the salary cap.'"
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| Quote ="oxford-pie-eater"Any actual source for any of this yet, beyond the rumour in The Sun? I can't see the the RFU or any club paying 400k.
If he does go, it's bad news. We'll get over it, but if the options are losing him from the sport, or keeping him, I know which I'd choose. Our game needs to build depth and this drip effect is denting that effort. Farrell, Hape and Vainikolo type players are no great loss in the grand scheme of things. Ashton, Eastmond, Tomkins type players are, and it's not so much that Union's moneymen have ramped up efforts to sign league players, they've just changed their strategy. I don't think we can afford to turn a blind eye to that if we're serious about improving our game.'"
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Press conf in 2 mins. We may find out more.
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| Quote ="Boris"The league cap is what, 1.4 million? The figure being bounded about is 400k a season for Joel. Now even if it was half that, there is no way any Super Duper League team can spend 200k on one player with the limitations imposed by the salary cap.'"
So scrap the cap and pay Joel Tomkins £400k. You then surely have to give Mossop £300k, Charnley £250k and so on. Even the for a wealthy club like Wigan, I suspect money would soon become the problem, rather than the cap.
Unless something dramatic happens (much more dramatic than raising or binning the salary cap), we've either got to put up with the likes of Eastmond and Tomkins being cherry-picked and or learn to love line-outs.
Tbf, we spent decades taking players from Union.
The one consolation is that the NRL is becoming an alternative, so players have a good option for staying in our sport, if not our League. |
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shaun wane just said in an interview on SSN that both tomkins are very happy at wigan. Maybe this has all been blown out of the water a little bit?
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| Quote ="Newton-Le-willows-Warrior"shaun wane just said in an interview on SSN that both tomkins are very happy at wigan. Maybe this has all been blown out of the water a little bit?'"
Not really. He's not going to say "They've both desperate to leave such a Mickey Mouse sport and go somewhere better, but we've just not got round to agreeing the compensation package for them yet" is he?
Tomkins pulled out of the 4Nations to focus on agreeing his Union deal. It might fall down yet if Wigan can't agree on the compensation package, but it's clear there are discussions going on about it. |
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| Quote ="Newton-Le-willows-Warrior"shaun wane just said in an interview on SSN that both tomkins are very happy at wigan. Maybe this has all been blown out of the water a little bit?'"
What? Sam and Logan? |
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| Quote ="Newton-Le-willows-Warrior"shaun wane just said in an interview on SSN that both tomkins are very happy at wigan. Maybe this has all been blown out of the water a little bit?'"
I hope you are right mate,don't want to see talented players leaving the game no matter what club they play for,even you guys.  |
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| He's not the messiah
and neither is his brother for that matter.
Get a grip FFS |
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| Quote ="cod'ead"He's not the messiah
and neither is his brother for that matter.
Get a grip FFS'" Was that the point? I must have missed it  Try replacing the name Tomkins - with Charmley, Lomax, Gaskell, Hardacre, Briscoe. Get a grip FFS! |
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Ian Lenagan doesn't seem to be worried about it.
I've got to admit, I was extremely worried that Joel and Sam may be leaving us but Ian's responses have assured me a bit
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What has Ian Lenegan said?
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"What has Ian Lenegan said?'"
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I know justarugbyfan will know something, he's a right moocher like that!
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| Quote ="Chorlton RL"superleague.co.uk/article/tomkins-jnr-pledges-future-to-league/23782'"
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but, he doesn't seem very confident he'll stay in RL. |
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Maybe I'm reading too much into it but, he doesn't seem very confident he'll stay in RL.'"
It's the type of article you could 'read into' as much as you wanted. |
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Games dead at club level non existant at international level,can't blame any player wanting to leave
The tennis player and his mob have sucessfully killed our game.
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Try replacing the name Tomkins - with Charmley, Lomax, Gaskell, Hardacre, Briscoe. Get a grip FFS!
