Back in the news on social media, questioning validity ? Magic weekend, blatant forward passes.
Modern day rules are the real problem, a player used to have to be behind the player with ball before he passed, thus the ball was/had to be passed in a backward line, thus easy for the Ref to judge & make a call !
Nowadays, when a flat pass is allowed, that becomes difficult to judge, then we start with momentum & how the players hands were ?
Go back to the original rules, less problems easier calls ! The Leeds match forward pass was ridiculas, the player passing passed 1& a half meters before reaching the 20m line, he passed & the ball not only went forward before touching the floor but it rolled last the line by at least a foot & was then picked up, forward pass by some distance, it was not a close call! Once again poor officiating & unfair to the defending team !
I suppose someone will try to defend modern rules etc, etc.

what really is frustrating is the video ref cannot call a blatant forward pass when reviewing a try

Every rugby league supporter should watch this https://youtu.be/box08lq9ylg

Every rugby league supporter should watch this https://youtu.be/box08lq9ylg

What a crap post total anti Leeds trolling, the lengths some will go with there agenda is laughable.

The rules are simple the ball must be passed backwards out of the gands back towards your own try line, where the ball travels in relation to the ground is totally irrelevant.

I know lets make every player stop running before passing turn around and pass it back, as some fans have no concept of how physics work.

Lets make them change the rules just because Leeds won a game i was baying fir them to loose. (Insert other teams fans like to hate Wigan usually and sometimes warrington)

Quote ="jools"Every rugby league supporter should watch this https://youtu.be/box08lq9ylg'" Trouble with posting stuff like this and pointing out hard facts is, people with their own agenda just will only believe what they want anyway, like brexiters who still believe we give the EU £350 a week even though its been proven to be a lie. ( other famous lies are available examples france just gave up entirley in WWII, and Dunkirk was a victory definatly not Britain running away)

Quote ="jools"Every rugby league supporter should watch this https://youtu.be/box08lq9ylg'" Trouble with posting stuff like this and pointing out hard facts is, people with their own agenda just will only believe what they want anyway, like brexiters who still believe we give the EU £350 a week even though its been proven to be a lie. ( other famous lies are available examples france just gave up entirley in WWII, and Dunkirk was a victory definatly not Britain running away)

Team irrelevant, it's all teams, if the ball goes forward deliberately, it's a forward pass, if the ball then touches the ground it's a knock - on ! If this is to be discounted, there is NO such thing as a forward pass or a knock - on & change the rules, no more calls everyone gets on with it & all can do what they want, I would be in favour, because you can always score !

Quote ="jools"Every rugby league supporter should watch this https://youtu.be/box08lq9ylg'" Thought i was watching the Wakey v catalans highlights there, To me if Yawnion can use video refs for the [ublatant[/u forward passes then why can't the bloody hell we do the same especially when some are so blatant obvious OR is it just too easy for the video ref/ 4th official to tell the match ref it was blatantly forward and disallow it.

Quote ="jools"Every rugby league supporter should watch this https://youtu.be/box08lq9ylg'" Thought i was watching the Wakey v catalans highlights there, To me if Yawnion can use video refs for the [ublatant[/u forward passes then why can't the bloody hell we do the same especially when some are so blatant obvious OR is it just too easy for the video ref/ 4th official to tell the match ref it was blatantly forward and disallow it.

Jesus H, like Jools said, watch the bleedin video.

Momentum as Stevo would have said .
Let’s get grid lines on all pitches , problem solved .

A couple of feet is momentum, but the fact the ball bounces a meter in front of it's intended recipient, who was travelling at the same speed as the passer and was 2 Meters behind him when the ball was passed, points to this being a forward pass, pure and simple.

London deserved to lose, because as usual they started both half's 10 minutes late, but Leeds can consider themselves very lucky if this decision either turns their season around or simply keeps them up......

To be fair Jools doesn’t understand Holiday Insurance .

For me it's not about who deserves to win, it's about not having blatant bad decisions prospering, if players & coaches can be charged for bringing the game into disrepute, then to have blatant bad decisions on a consistent basis, also brings the game into disrepute.
There is another way to view forward pass, over running, ball drift momentum with an overhead camera for the odd occasion reference is needed ! A few frames & technology could determine once set - up via a computer to video screen.

Except you’d need to install that system in every stadium and also have someone operating it. Significantly increasing the cost of match coverage. It may not even be possible to install it at all stadiums as the Skycam requires high fixed points to work from.

As for blatant bad decisions. I don’t think there are that many forward passes going unpunished. Certainly not many blatant ones.

There is, however, a blatant lack of understanding amongst many RL fans over what a forward pass actually is and the consequences of having a sport where a forward pass is judged relative to the ground, something which a lot of vocal RL fans proclaim should happen.

Nothing expensive about a drone sending video to a computer with software picking up an actual incident & flagging up for a video ref to use, as you have declared, there arnt that many so advice to refs ear piece would be low !
There seems to be always a reason why you cannot, never a reason why you can !
However, for the few reasons you say it doesn't happen that often, then change the rule to " forward pass allowed " equal to both sides, no arguments, easy to score, entertainment higher, no more bad decisions of excuses !

Do you really think that a drone would be in the correct position to pick up any contentious forward pass.
As you know, a pass can look blatantly forward when viewed for a certain angle and legitimate when viewed from a different position.

Your solution sounds quite simple and not too expensive to implement but, the reality is rather different.

We could ask the VR to adjudicate on forward pass calls, which would clear up some of them but there would still be plenty left for us to "argue" over, just as there are with try/no try calls.

You can bring all the cameras and VR as much as you want, that would still not be disallowed as it was passed backwards out off the hands. Get over if.

So he was trying to pass it to a player 2 metres behind him, but it only went 1 meter behind him
Sounds like it went backwards to me, just not as far as he intended.

Some people really need to listen more instead of starting off with the answer they want and making every bit of evidence fit the answer they want.

And what on earth do you mean by "a couple of feet is momentum" etc..?

A couple of feet isn't ok if the player is stood still I.e. from dummy half
Whereas if a winger is running at 20mph down the wing and passes the ball inside to a supporting player 8/9 metres away a couple of metres will be ok.

As it's all relevant to the momentum of the player passing the Ball.



Try throwing a tennis ball put of a car window backwards as you pass say a lamppost at 30mph and see if you can get it to land behind it, you'll be lucky if the ball lands less than 10mtrs in front of the lamppost.

yep i once threw a tin can out of a car window at a well known ref, i threw it at the back if his head, i saw it hit the floor out if my mirror 5 meters in from if him. (That was an example not a true fact not the ref but anyway)

Just putting a Leeds twist on all this.
How many times (out of 10), when the South Stand shout "forward" has the opposition passed the ball forward, because they dont half shout it a lot.
The other measure when deciding refereeing decisions is to imagine how you would feel if you were supporting the opposite side and I'm not sure that you would be so vehement in your opinion had London won the game with the same play.

Unfortunately, with all sports, where there is a referee or umpire, they make mistakes and we all have to love with their call.

Never has there been a replay forced due to a poor call at a crucial time.

Its just really simple physics, for people that don’t understand take rugby ball in a car drive at say 20MPH throw the ball backwards or ‘flat’ out of the window, now do you think the ball will land behind where you were the moment you threw the ball out of the window?

Hiw nany timed do they shout forward, about 10 times less than they do at Hull kr.
London scored there final try and there was a huge forward pass missed in the build up. So at best its even.

But the Leeds ine was not forward some people are just digging a huge whole.

I'm a Wigan fan and I'll say it's the same % of time as it is at Wigan as they'll be wrong as many times as we are, or saints fans, or warrington fans (but obviously not wakefield fans as you'll be right the thousands of times you shout it when an opposition player does it but never when your own player does).
Because it's irrelevant how many times they shout it, as it's a subjective opinion based call.

However
What people are trying to say is that those who keep pointing at lines on a pitch or where the ball landed if it hit the floor are wrong as its irrelevant where the ball travelled in relation to the lines on a stationary pitch.

As I said on the mat h thread, change the rules, make it so it has to go backwards in relation to the pitch, then sit back and watch as any player who makes a break has to almost stop and stand still to pass it to a team mate.
This should be fun!

Not saying you cannot be an RL fan unless you gave played the game but it helps as some peoples comments show thay have no experience of running passing and catching a ball. Even at a fast jog you gave to pass a ball to where the player is going to be not where he is when you start to pass. If a player is level you have to pass it forward our it will end up in the floor that would most likley be an easy forward pass call, the incident in question he is clearly 2 meters in from of the receiving player, and the ball is passed out of the hands backwards, it was not a forward pass end off.

Who decides which passes are referred? If you are talking about every pass the crowd consider contentious being checked by your IT wizardry then it is possibly the most bonkers idea I have ever read on these boards. Which is saying something. If it is in the build up to tries then it is possibly the most bonkers idea I have ever read on these boards.

They shout the exact same as any other set of fans....difference is at Leeds their is 15,000 voices instead of 5,000 so you’ll notice it much more. In terms of percentage of the crowd who shout forward it’s probably the same as any other club.