I quite agree that Hemel wouldn't exactly be a loss, I was just meaning that the current policy of expansion as a whole, rather than at individual clubs, over the previous few years will be completely undone, I was just listing a few expansion clubs off the top of my head as examples of who would be dropped, but yeah, Hemel's inclusion in the pyramid is pointless. Another couple of failed expansion teams in Gloucestershire and Oxford are merging of course so it will be interesting to see what happens there and whether that Bristol side will play any part in a future 2 tier Super League should it happen. It seems like the list of teams that could potentially be included is just getting longer and longer with french teams, north american teams, bristol, london.

20 teams clearly isn't enough so some of these expansion teams will have to be dropped or some existing heartland teams and that isn't exactly going to make the existing rugby league fan base happy. Though I say 20 teams isn't enough but with less teams the quality might be better, at least in Super League 1. There certainly isn't enough decent talent to go right down through the 20 teams.

Apart from the fact that most Canadians would happily string you up for calling them "North American", you've sort of in a cack-handed way hit the nail on the head. There aren't enough players or financiers to sustain a strong RL structure in the UK (right down to grass roots) and that's where the problem lies. Success across the Atlantic or the English Channel won't help UK clubs.

Fax are engaging with local amateur RL clubs, with the home games so far this season seeing two of them as guests for the day. Are all SL clubs doing the same? I'm sure that some are, but I doubt they all engage with the local community for the better good of the game.

The direction of your posts I feel would actually suggest that maybe ditching non-UK clubs from SL would perhaps (contentious!) be the best option. The two French clubs are a struggling SL outfit and one that may make the Middle 8's but has no chance of progressing further. The odds of both being in the Championship next year, although probably unlikely, is far greater than them both being in SL.

My own team doesn't come in to this. Fax aren't ready for SL either on or off the pitch, but the RFL and SL should focus on how best to make the game better in the UK, end of.

London playing at home would pull in less than 1000

As much as you are trolling.........
1,205 were there for the Wolfpack in the 2nd tier with no marketing........a successful London averaged 5k before the current owner took over, ignored marketing and dragged us to the 2nd tier. A successful London, marketed well should be attracting 10k in a heartbeat, but as is the case at most RL clubs, marketing is an afterthought and therefore the top 40% of our clubs deliver 75% of our audience......

What's been said before (a while ago) by a Broncos fan is that one of the big problems that London have had is not having a permanent home for the club. That, combined with the nature of public transport in London (which is largely designed to either go into the city or out, and not round it) means that attracting and then retaining a fan base has proved difficult. London played for a decent number of years at the Stoop, but they've been North, East, South and West of the city over the 30-odd years of their existence (including their time as Fulham).

I've always been impressed with the passion and loyalty demonstrated by the London fans regularly making the trip up the M6/M1 but it's tough to build support year on year without a permanent home.

It's not just the moving (The Stoop was only 3 miles from Brentford which is only 3 miles from Trailfinders), but also the utter diabolical mismanagement and awful appointments of people into key positions. Blanchard & MacKay were both appointed CEO with no formal interview process, the latter reducing us from 3,400 average to 1,200 and blaming first the name and then the ground before leaving, spending 18 months out of work and then reducing Worcester RU's average attendance by 10% in his first year there.......Powell was appointed coach 73% loss rate) against all advice and left us teetering, whilst Joe Grima was appointed on the advice of Jamie Soward........nobody else, just a player he got on with. Grima lasted 19 games with 2 wins (90% loss rate) and left us mid table in the Championship......God love David Hughes because without him we'd have folded years ago, but jesus wept he's appointed some absolute stinkers.