Or he could provide the Narration of a dark documentary in the style of hard hitting Aussie Surf Doc, Bra Boys.

I think Burgess has made good progress this year and is easily one of the best Props of his age in SL IMO. In the last couple of months he seems to have cut out some of the errors and is doing longer minutes. I'd like to hold onto him if possible, seems unlikely though.

Exactly! Couldn't have put it better myself.
Needs to lose weight and play longer than 5 mins without blowing out of his
Butt

Depends whether he wants to play or watch. As far as I know George hasn't played for Souths yet. The lifestyle mat be great but they won't keep you for ever with no return. By the way is there any limit in Oz on overseas players as that would give Souths four from the same family

George played last week and in today's game against the Roosters. He did not look out of place. Luke is playing regularly and seems to be a better player than when he was at the Rhinos. As I mentioned earlier, Sam was the man of the match.

George has made his 1st grade debut at Souths too.

To be fair George debuted a few weeks ago.

He has been in reserve grade where last year he was powerful but made a few mistakes. This season he's been carving it up there and has on a couple of occasions played U20s, where, he absolutely killed the opposition. So they deemed it a bit silly to play against other kids.

Sam looked absolutely superb as always. Luke looked a workaday player. George, when he came on, looked a monster, but his impact seems to restricted to hit-ups, whereas Sam is just a bloody phenomenon, played for 80 and was just immense all round but in particular his tackling stint was superhuman.

Tom has got potential class written all over him. Of course he's far from the finished article, but you only have to watch him take the ball up to see he's an exceptional prospect.

When George left Bradford were they similar in development or was one of the twins better in some areas?

I think the perception was that George was slightly ahead, but that Tom has come on more quickly through playing first grade rugby.

Personally, I suspect that Tom has already decided to go to Souths, and quite likely a deal has already been agreed. I'm resigned to the fact that he'll leave at the end of the season, much as I'd like him to stay.

Hehe - put a smile on my face

Oy you two pseudo stattos!!! The only thing worse than statistics is pseudo statistics. definition of pseudo statistics. figures that are picked out of the air and blown out of a butt.

Cheers, it could be interesting to see how far apart they are next season.

Maguire seems to have a great talent at aiding the development of young forwards.

If the Caisley consortium gets control of the club and SL status is secured then Burgess may stay. If anything else happens he's gone.

If Caisely is Burgess IV's agent it will no doubt be in Caisely's financial interest for him to go.

If you look at his stats, they're very good. Not a huge amount of errors or missed tackles and great go forward.

Personally I think if they stop trying the crash ball with him he'd drop a lot fewer balls and there would be less to moan about him. Let him concentrate on making the yards for now, the impact can come

Maybe but I don't see anything to "moan about" with him, and I reckon I'm not alone, there are only a handful of resident know-all knockers.

I'd much rather we developed a forward who actually can run crash balls and do serious damage to the opposition, and I'd say the more he does it, the better he'll get at it.

Tom not only wins many collisions, often handsomely, but he is one of those forwards that can lift the team, and put us on the front-foot, by a couple of bullocking runs. For a young 'un, he's amazing, and I sometimes despair at what some people actually want.

My concern is that there is a tendency for players to become scape goats very quickly. There is one poster that seems to get on his back even when he plays well and I doubt the sincerity of that. I can see what you say re the crash balls though as if he did get it right it would be devastating and a potential game breaker. Just needs a hand off...

You are Ray French & I donate my £5 to the Chris Caisely pension fund.

Who is this Chris Caisely of whom ye spake?

A member of a corrupt, secretive brotherhood of hideously moustachioed parasites who claim knowledge of & practice the dark arts. Possibly.

Thanks MB, you too have spotted that those two pseudo statos have not made a rebuttal of my comments. and to correct our learned friends, he spends 5 minutes and 14.5 seconds on the pitch.

To sum up - Tom is a cracking prospect who is improving at a fair rate. Mick Potter has to be congratulated for having solid judgement in using him correctly; right time to play him and for the right amount of time. I hope both are here next year to continue what we've got but I don't even know if I'm optimistic or not....

in a nutshell