He is also a crap journalist who writes poor articles, must have him on the cheap at the T&A

The main difference between now and the early sixties is the fact that the club closed because of indifference, and the fact that no one cared. I still recall standing on the terrace with about 300 cold and lonely souls as once again we watched a non performing team at the final game of the old Northern.
At least Dave Craven's article makes one realise the club is going downhill, and a string of dreadful performances will not attract anyone. How a team can be world beaters one week, and the next a side that could be beaten by a lower league side I'd never imagine.
I would like to see one or two of the young sters have games, at least it may show that we do have some talent in the wings.

I would offer my services to the T&A but somehow I feel my insight is too penetrating and too close to the mark - too much to swallow for your average pundit.

Oh dear. Bigmouth Strikes Again.

And if a double decker bus crashes into us.....would it be the 508 or the 72?

I dunno squire, but the pleasure and the priviledge will be mine.

Damn - I was hoping to use that as an answer to potential replies

I was actually hoping somebody mentioned a "ten tonne truck" so that I could have used my Solomona gag.

Maybe the club need to do something to help the atmosphere, if that gets better the players may just feel we're backing them and actually start to beat a few more teams. We beat a few more teams and maybe more people come.

At Edinburgh they gave out noise sticks and some sort of clappers, surely there cheap enough to do and would be a great hit with the kids and a few others. Brand them to the club and give them away for free maybe or sell them at a nominal level or give them away to the people who buy golden gamble tickets.

Improving is a two way thing i guess and it would be nice to see the club do something, didn't some fans come with flags to us earlier this season?

Was i right,or was i right?


Looks like craven has been reading this forum,well maybe not as it's not rocket science is it afterall?

Concerns raised in a high profile (in Bradford) manner, and immediately the club announce a fans forum.

Good work Mr Craven, if indeed it was your idea in the first place.

It appears that someone else has been reading my posts!

Dave Craven must have loved writing that, he makes it seem a lot worse than it is.

I dunno how many season ticket holders we have this year. But it must have been pretty close to base level last weekend. If you consider that the majority of the crowd would / could have been season ticket holders and then factor in the "Kid for a quid" deal then i reckon there must have been almost no revenue from the gate against Crusaders. The franchise money for the pies etc will also have been paid in advance, so without sponsorship and the Sky deal it would have been a near catastrophe in revenue terms simply staging the game.

Oh and for the record I personally think the new song should not be Morrisey but perhaps The Smiths "Every day is like (last) Sunday"

I'm no fan of Dave Craven, but, I felt pretty much that way as I trudged out of the ground

Has he really though? TBH, there have been plenty on here suggesting for a while now that the crowd against the Taffs may have been somewhat concerning and so it proved to be.

The story was hard hitting but as Asim has pointed out, it seems to have made an impact which can only be good in the long term I would have thought?

How so?

I think that article pretty well sums up the whole sorry saga of last Sunday and certainly reflected the views of those I spoke to walking back down Rooley Avenue (although the rain which began 5 mins before the end didn't help much).

Whatever you might think of Dave Craven, deriding him for pointing out a few home truths is like sticking your head in the sand Ostrich style.

Erm, that was Morrisey solo - not the Smiths!

The Warrington debacle at home did more damage than either of the wins over Leeds and Saints could cover up.

It needs to come from the fans! I can't get to many games unfortunately, but when I do some of the speccies (a vocal minority) are just so negative, like slagging players off before matches and spending 80 minutes berating the officials.

You need to move away from Mick...

I'd keep away from that Oddball chap if I were you boss.

RER - the Warrington debacle occured before people decided whether or not to go to the Warrington game, and the gate was still poor. You'd have thought a win against Leeds on the telly would drag people out, if performances ever were going to. I think they have a role to play but I don't think they can do it alone.

We're up to what game 6 of 13 at home? The real summer is about to start a few warm days and a run of more than two wins on the bounce and Odsal will be rocking again.

Thinking back to the days of Bullmania I didn't have a season ticket then as I do now but I seem to remember warm lazy summer nights from the games I did get to for some reason. Warrington and Celtic games were played in wintery conditions.

The crowds are never going to increase while we continue to just win a game every now and then. Only winning 2 consecutive games is never going to encourage the casual supporter to return. One win from six games at home is never going to help with crowds. Which is perfectly illustrated by a friend of mine who has travelled over from Roos for every home game for the last three years a round trip of over a 200 miles has decided even though he has a season ticket he can't justify the cost and time travelling over every home game. I now fear he won't ever buy another season ticket but will now just pick and choose his games.