I really feel for you guys how many times are the board going to screw you guys over, you helped bail them out last time,

hope every thing works it self out for you guys, it wont be the same with out having the bulls around

all the best

Wakefield fan

The disappointing thing about being in admin and seeing a list of "potential" new or interested owners, that in reality none of the names mentioned will take on the club and the debt it has racked up.

We all know how this will pan out;

1. We will not come out of admin
2. New owner buys club for minimal amount
3. Clubs debts are cleared
4. New owner states he/she is hopeful that players will stay
5. New owner states he has had "positive" discussions with the RFL
6. Some players refuse to TUPE and leave
7. RFL make press release saying Bulls docked 12 points and impose a ridiculous financial penalty.
8. We start the season with skeleton squad adding rubbish journeymen as and when they become available.
9. We sign Karl Pryce

The only time we will ever stop this vicious cycle is when the right owner is found. I'm fearful that Green's charge against the lease will make him the highest creditor again, although i wouldn't think a charge against the lease will have a bearing on the Bulls administration package.

We have just got to let the process complete (felt like months when Gargoyle was administrator), and see if the new owner is someone of credibility.

Never trusted Green, just an opportunist, looking to get lucky with his new "Toy"

God, I hope the RFL don't support us too much. They exacerbated the first administration by stupidly loaning us money then taking our only asset.

They then approved Omar, who only had a few quid, then effectively fined him £1.2m which any idiot could see he didn't have, guaranteeing a 2nd administration and relegation.

Because they now own the stadium, they are between a rock and a hard place. They need a tenant, but the terms of the tenancy means that only a SL club with SL funding could survive at Odsal. But equally they are desperate to avoid being accused of favouritism.
What a bloody mess the RFL have allowed themselves to get entangled in

VAT Notice 701/5 deals with club memberships. I would imagine the argument is about whether the membership is single or multiple supplies. single means there can be multiple but one is the majority, in which case it's vat rate applies to all services supplied. Multiple each one stands on its own so standard zero exempt whatever. If I had been considering claiming multiple supplies I would have used a VAT consultant with PI insurance to advise me about it so I could make a claim if it went pear shaped, but equally I would anticipate them, mindful of their PI premium, saying forget it.

What was that film about a couple of yuppies (remember them?) doing up an old house? The Black Hole - no, The Money Pit!!!!

We are at present a full time club with contracts offered accordingly.Something may have to give if we survive and given the fact we have some very promising youngsters,I do hope at worst we could hang on to them.What a shambles that Green couldn't come clean much earlier.Wouldn't think he's got any credibility with the RL left.Really hope they don't come down heavy on us and support an early resolution should Mark Lawn buy the Club.

I'd rather be in the last chance saloon than the no chance saloon.

Who cares? If the Halifax fan posting earlier is typical, they would rather take the moral high ground than tens of thousands of pounds of extra income.

Besides, having seen Dewsbury and Halifax umpteen times last season, I quite like the idea of games against teams like Newcastle and Coventry. Then there's the away trip to Toronto of course



On the other hand, it might be trips to Dudley Hill or Siddal

Well said.

There is no moral high ground. And please don't think that when you visit an away game you boos that clubs coffers by TENS OF THOUSANDS OF POINDS! if you generated that amount you wouldn't be in the pickle you are and neither would we because of al the money you bring to Fax on game day.

Rod Studd has come up with an innovative idea of a supporter-run model for us. Such blue-sky thinking.

Mind you, Mick is wholly on-board with the idea:

‏@TheGameCaller
With the help of @SuppDirect and the @TheRFL we can offer the supporters of the club the choice of being in control.

Why dont your club get their own finances in order stop asking players to take pay cuts and start paying rent on your ground like the football team have to do

Don't think any supporter of any club can have any moral higher ground for as long as they are that, merely supporters. I follow the club I do merely by stint of being from that city and being taken there as a child. Anything the club does has little to do with me, good or bad. There is no moral ground to be had unless you are actually a club owner.

Errm, the pay cuts were required to do exactly that - to help get the clubs' finances in order. We've lost one of our best players as a result. On the rent point, there have been disagreements with the landlord (Calderdale Council), but it appears that these have been ironed out and there are no payments outstanding (I say "appears", 'cos I don't work for either the club or the Council). Fax certainly have money issues (as have most professional RL clubs), but why do you think they're still a part-time outfit despite the additional funding that the middle-8's brought last year?

I wish you and your club all the best, and hope you can work something out. If the worst does happen (expulsion or relegation), then I also hope that some sort of deal can be brokered for the Bulls faithful that have invested in Season Tickets for next year.

Wasn't there some discussions about a group of fans setting up another club earlier this season? I think they managed to create a Twitter account and everything?!

Pretty sure that was a fax fan on the wind up.

I'm not going to repeat what HXSparky has said but if you are interested there is a small interview in the Halifax Courier with Mr Croad. He does say the club made a small profit last season and gives a general explanation of what and why the club have done to steady the club. If you don't want to read it fine. As everyone says we don't want to see Bradford go the wall but it may just happen this time. Hope not

I can absolutely guarantee that was Halifax fans (plus Rod Studd) on the wind up.

It's here if you're interested... [urlhttp://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/rugby/halifax-rlfc/fax-boss-we-ll-emerge-stronger-from-pain-of-cost-cuts-1-8237624[/url

This thread isn't about Fax or anyone else so can we try and stop the thread drift. If you want to discuss Fax they have their own board where you can do it.

Thanks

Why do all the bell whackers from other clubs end up on threads like this?

Facck off will yer.

We were only putting a few misquoted things about our club which your fans brought up and also giving you support. Looks like don't want any genuine support. I shall now Facck off. A true credit to the Bulls. Bye.

It's Bulls posters that have dragged other clubs into the discussion. Both Faxlore and myself have wished you and your club well and hope you come through and still have a team to support next year. It's an open forum, and using four-letter words in response (deliberate mis-spelling doesn't excuse you), is a tad childish.

The problem is, we all know too much about this process now.
If a pre-pack was set up, it's gone on more than 24hours, which makes it unlikely.
Which then leads us into administration proper, investors putting their case via the media, creditors, secured, unsecured, punishment - 6 points (option A) 12 points (option B), secret option C - entirely made up by the RFL depending on what Nige had for breakfast, 2years of academy work (what looked like our best medium/long term hope) probably down the drain etc, etc.
And like many, I really can't be bothered with it this time.

Nice to see a reasonable fax fan. It was just his tone makes you get your back up. Fax are doing things to keep themselves in check. hope it all works out for you too