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| I listened to the Bulls BCB show tonight and I actually feel sorry for Marc Green. it costs him £2.7m to run the club for the year before anything or anyone comes through the door. That figure includes Odsal rent, tong rent, players wages, upkeep of infrastructure, insurances, ulitity bills and travel costs for all junior and first team. it would seem other people were equally sympathic of what Mr Green has actually taken on. I think as fans we sometimes allow the results om the field to cloud are judgement on the owner - chairman. £2.7m is a lot of money.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"The interviews with Jimmy were all down to Jimmy. I spoke to one of the other blokes involved with those interviews a little while ago (not Ross or Hobbo who asked most of the questions) and that person said Jimmy was a total nightmare and he felt like the poor blokes asking the questions had been given an impossible task.
As far as Ross and positivity goes, I've spoken before about this. The idea he's positive or negative is total rubbish IMO. He reports that's there, regardless of which side of the fence it's fallen on. The story this week regarding Green having a few things to think about is essentially a collection of things everyone on here was saying too. He doesn't work for the club, so why should he be more positive than us fans on here? I generally think the tone of his pieces are very (VERY) similar to the general feeling amongst fans. If things were going well and everyone was loving the club, I expect his articles would be along a similar lines. When the club is doing well and his articles are still negative, I'll accept it's him. Until then, I think he gets a crap ride from a lot people.
Everyone praises Russ (Wobbly) for telling it like it is. But people criticise Ross for similar. Yeah I know he's a professional journalist, but I'd rather read the T&A being honest and forthright than kissing the backside of Marc Green and the club.'"
Rohan Smith is better at explaining himself on Bulls TV than Jimmy. Lowes sometimes would just rant at the person asking questions. What I mean about Ross is why just focus on negatives? why not look at the great things happening with academy? I just feel t&a goes all doom and gloom. I enjoy reading his match reports though they usually have plenty of description which is vital when you can't go to games.
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| Quote ="David Tasker"I listened to the Bulls BCB show tonight and I actually feel sorry for Marc Green. it costs him £2.7m to run the club for the year before anything or anyone comes through the door. That figure includes Odsal rent, tong rent, players wages, upkeep of infrastructure, insurances, ulitity bills and travel costs for all junior and first team. it would seem other people were equally sympathic of what Mr Green has actually taken on. I think as fans we sometimes allow the results om the field to cloud are judgement on the owner - chairman. £2.7m is a lot of money.'"
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of those figures. Then perhaps people could see what a millstone Odsal is.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"It would be interesting to see a breakdown of those figures. Then perhaps people could see what a millstone Odsal is.'"
Same here. wages are supposedly one million plus? does odsal cost another million, how much is the training facilities at tong? I heard it's state of the art so cloud be half a million?
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| Quote ="David Tasker"Rohan Smith is better at explaining himself on Bulls TV than Jimmy. Lowes sometimes would just rant at the person asking questions. What I mean about Ross is why just focus on negatives? why not look at the great things happening with academy? I just feel t&a goes all doom and gloom. I enjoy reading his match reports though they usually have plenty of description which is vital when you can't go to games.'"
It's a fair point. I do think the general feeling around the club is doom and gloom, and his stories simply reflect that. But yes, I agree, a really good positive article about the academy would be a welcome one. Perhaps he hasn't got the right access to do that kind of story, or like has been said, perhaps the relationship between him and senior figures at the club is strained. But it's certainly one area of the club that is a massive silver lining and perhaps could do with a little highlighting.
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| [code[/code Quote ="HamsterChops"It's a fair point. I do think the general feeling around the club is doom and gloom, and his stories simply reflect that. But yes, I agree, a really good positive article about the academy would be a welcome one. Perhaps he hasn't got the right access to do that kind of story, or like has been said, perhaps the relationship between him and senior figures at the club is strained. But it's certainly one area of the club that is a massive silver lining and perhaps could do with a little highlighting.'"
Not sure on ross and his current relationship with green. I remember when Dave Craven put out the Lowes Warrington story and he fell foul of hood and bennett.
Hopefully Ross can repair the damage with the club and start covering positive stories rather then all this will they wont they stay full time. Green said on BCB last week he's signed off a squad of 28 players for next year so that must mean full time?
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| How long has Ross been with the T&A now? RL reporters don't usually hang around for more than 4 or 5 years now. Gone are the days when you had a reporter for long periods - think the last one like that at the T&A was Brian Smith (not the Aussie!).
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| Quote ="Bullseye"How long has Ross been with the T&A now? RL reporters don't usually hang around for more than 4 or 5 years now. Gone are the days when you had a reporter for long periods - think the last one like that at the T&A was Brian Smith (not the Aussie!).'"
I think this is his fourth season at the paper. I've no idea of his background or where's he from. Perhaps he might be in it for the long haul like bill marshall was or as you mention brian smith. I think the Bradford City guy has been at the paper for over ten years.
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| Bill ended up covering cricket. He was only covering the Bulls for a short period IIRC. Nice bloke.
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| Quote ="David Tasker"I think this is his fourth season at the paper. I've no idea of his background or where's he from. Perhaps he might be in it for the long haul like bill marshall was or as you mention brian smith. I think the Bradford City guy has been at the paper for over ten years.'"
Not sure if I've got the right one but I thought he'd previously been RL correspondent on the Warrington Guardian.
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| So, with regards to Mark's company - Safeguard security group ([urlhttp://www.ssgltd.co.uk/[/url) - it all seems to be ok so rumours of appointing administrators were obviously bo llox. Yet another attempt to muddy the waters and cause damage to MG & the Bulls.
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| I'm not a fan of Ross at all - I reckon people on here could do a better job. Sometimes it really feels like his journalism is based on crud that he lifts from Facebook.
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| Quote ="DrFeelgood"I'm not a fan of Ross at all - I reckon people on here could do a better job. Sometimes it really feels like his journalism is based on crud that he lifts from Facebook.'"
I imagine that if he's not got a good relationship with the club then he may end up lifting material from other sources. He didn't get on with Lowes (and I think Lowes has to shoulder some blame there) but he also annoyed Caro recently with a sloppy article. He's building a relationship with Smith. I get the feeling there's definitely no love lost between him and Green and Ferres. I know there has been annoyance at the slant of some articles purporting to give Ferres's views.
I think the journalist that covers the club needs to maintain good relationships and may have to sacrifice some of his impartiality for that. Otherwise the bread and butter articles lack the quality that you can only get from having a friendly and close relationship.
It can be up to other journalists to cover the "off field" challenges. They don't have to get a foot in the door everyday so can take a tougher line if need be.
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Thats the oldco I think. It's Safeguard group services now.
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Thats the oldco I think. It's Safeguard group services now.'" Quote ="DrFeelgood"I'm not a fan of Ross at all - I reckon people on here could do a better job. Sometimes it really feels like his journalism is based on crud that he lifts from Facebook.'"
I think you're right in there's no love lost between Marc and Ross. When was the last time the t and a website had an actual interview by Ross with Marc? It appears Ross can get Ferres for comments though. I just wish he would be more positive and factual with his storys instead of just writing doom and gloom about the club.
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Thats the oldco I think. It's Safeguard group services now.'" Quote ="DrFeelgood"I'm not a fan of Ross at all - I reckon people on here could do a better job. Sometimes it really feels like his journalism is based on crud that he lifts from Facebook.'"
I think you're right in there's no love lost between Marc and Ross. When was the last time the t and a website had an actual interview by Ross with Marc? It appears Ross can get Ferres for comments though. I just wish he would be more positive and factual with his storys instead of just writing doom and gloom about the club.
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| He could maybe write an article saying he's positive we didn't make the playoffs ...
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| Honestly, it's like asking someone who's just had his wife leave him, lost his job and all his friends have told him he's an @rsehole, to write a story on how good his life is.
In saying that, I'm not sure I'd be that gutted if the wife left... (no, she doesn't read this forum)
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"Honestly, it's like asking someone who's just had his wife leave him, lost his job and all his friends have told him he's an @rsehole, to write a story on how good his life is.
In saying that, I'm not sure I'd be that gutted if the wife left... (no, she doesn't read this forum)'"
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Found this picture of HamsterChops
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I've put on a bit of timber since that was taken...
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| Do you still spend your evenings watching the wedding DVD in reverse? (She and her dad walk backwards out of the church, get into a limo, and reverse away never to be seen again ... )
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Do you still spend your evenings watching the wedding DVD in reverse? (She and her dad walk backwards out of the church, get into a limo, and reverse away never to be seen again ... )'"
There's no point, she never takes her mother with her.
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| Talking of Les Dawson, did you know it's more difficult to play Rugby League convincingly off-key than it is to play it well?
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| I wonder if Marc Green is enjoying his holiday?
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