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| Quote ="mystic eddie"The most surprising thing on here is that some people actually seem genuinely surprised at this? It is just another example of the total ineptitude and mismanagement at our club.
Lets' get the Hoodwinker in the press this week making an impassioned plea like he did last week in regards to the Pledge. Get him to TELL people what is happening instead of twisting facts and hiding the whole truth.
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An absolute farce of a situation.'"
Tosh. It is an example of a club with a cheque book, going through the proper channels, and making a better package offer than we could, to a player who was (obviously) interested in what they had to say. I fail to see how this is an example of mismanagement or ineptitude. How do you suggest the Bulls could have prevented him leaving?
Unless you can explain, then I assume you feel that every club is inept and mismanaged when a decent player is transferred elsewhere. Thus every club that ever was, is inept and mismanaged.
What facts has Hood twisted? What truth has he hidden? In answer to a direct question he said that yes, Hull had come in for Lynch, yes, he did speak to them, and yes, they had got their cheque book out. So nothing twisted, and nothing hidden. Unless you can point it out.
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| Quote ="daveyz999"Just interested, how do you come up with the awful foursome? '"
Cos it is a crap group of props. Burgess is still young (with promise I accept), Koppy is an average Joe and Hargreaves and Scruton have hardly pulled up any trees have they?
Quote IMO, Koppy would easily find a =#FF0000club higher in the table than Bradford, if he was released.'"
To be fair, there are plenty of them.
Quote Agree we need to bring another prop in but it's hardly the 'awful foursome'!'"
Yet you and practically everyone else admit that we need to strengthen in this area? Even WITH Lynch the props were poor.
Quote Without the facts, how can one say that this is a farce of a situation? Maybe Lynch requested to leave and said he'd never play in the shirt again? Maybe he wanted to extend his contract and double his pay? '"
Possibly but it is indicative of the -poor recruitment we have had in the last few years. Lynch is off without barely a whimper, much in the same way that Menzies did last season. Burgess left for pennies and now look at us.
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Let's reflect on this decision next season as we don't know what the club have planned moving forward.'"
Hence the reason I have called for Hood to come out and publicly make this clear to us. You never know, it may add some numbers to his beloved pledge.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"... Lynch is off without barely a whimper, much in the same way that Menzies did last season. Burgess left for pennies and now look at us..'"
Menzies was explained completely at the forum. I put up the explanation. i was extremely unhappy (still am) that we lost Menzies but the explanation is there. Sam Burgess is a ludicrous example, no club in SL could have kept him, and I am sure you know it.
Quote ="mystic eddie"...Hence the reason I have called for Hood to come out and publicly make this clear to us. You never know, it may add some numbers to his beloved pledge.'"
Make [iwhat[/i clear, though. (And did he hear you?) Oh, and the pledge seems to be beloved by over 10,000 fans apart from Hood. No surprise if he were fond of it, I suggest.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"How do you suggest the Bulls could have prevented him leaving? '"
Erm, the player was still under contract. We could have rejected Hulls' offer straight away and then he had no real option.
Quote Unless you can explain, then I assume you feel that every club is inept and mismanaged when a decent player is transferred elsewhere. Thus every club that ever was, is inept and mismanaged.'"
Nah, not all. Yet I doubt too many have made the recruitment howlers that we have in the last few years.
Quote What facts has Hood twisted? What truth has he hidden? In answer to a direct question he said that yes, Hull had come in for Lynch, yes, he did speak to them, and yes, they had got their cheque book out. So nothing twisted, and nothing hidden. Unless you can point it out.'"
It is a fair assumption that he knew full well of this situation last week and avoided the chance to tell the full story.
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| I think we only need 1 prop.
Its time they the others stepped up to the challenge.
Burgess had a good first season, I hope he features more next year
Im looking forward to seeing the pack mature next year
If we can replace Lynch with a prop who has some aggression I'm sure we will be okay
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Erm, the player was still under contract. We could have rejected Hulls' offer straight away and then he had no real option.'"
What and then have him playing with a cant be a**** attitude next season like most of the squad this season, simply because he had the chance to get an extended deal at Hull and probably a payrise
Only way would of been to offer an extended contract with a payrise close to the Hull offer and then still we probably couldnt afford it as stated many time we need the money hence the pledge scheme !!!
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| Quote ="daveyz999"I think we only need 1 prop.
Its time they the others stepped up to the challenge.
Burgess had a good first season, I hope he features more next year
Im looking forward to seeing the pack mature next year
If we can replace Lynch with a prop who has some aggression I'm sure we will be okay'"
Well TBH i think the four props we have are good enough, Burgess is in need of more minutes where as Hargreaves not really given a chance either IMO and as for scruton with his injury and the news of diabetes i suspect he will be much improved next year and be back to how we know he can play, and Koppy.... Well that speaks for itself in the player of the year,
Although i do agree we could do with one more prop to strengthen the pack and for reserve incase of injuries
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Erm, the player was still under contract. We could have rejected Hulls' offer straight away and then he had no real option.'"
Forcing a player to stay who doesn't want to be there is not a policy i would ever want the club to adopt. The game is hard enough without wantaways in your team.
Quote ="mystic eddie"It is a fair assumption that he knew full well of this situation last week and avoided the chance to tell the full story.'"
No it isn't. Did we all know Lynch was almost certainly leaving? Yes we did. Had he left? No he had not. Had a deal been done? No it hadn't. There is no basis I can see for your assumption at all.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
Had a deal been done? No it hadn't. '"
And you know this for a fact do you? How? Are you his agent?
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"And you know this for a fact do you? How? Are you his agent?'"
And you know it had for a fact do you? How? Are YOU his agent ?
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| Quote ="pulsator2k7"Well TBH i think the four props we have are good enough, '"
Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but, IMO, that is complete and utter nonsense.
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| Quote ="pulsator2k7"And you know it had for a fact do you? '"
No, hence why I said it was a "fair assumption."
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| No body knows when the deal was done so what difference does it make he is gone end of, time to move on
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| Anyone for a bit of fruitcake?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Sam Burgess is a ludicrous example, no club in SL could have kept him, and I am sure you know it.
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How do you work that out? He was contracted to us for another year. We could have (and should have) kept him for another year.
Oh, except we got a transfer fee...which we used to replace him with...er....remind me again...
I've got a feeling of deja vu.
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| Quote ="debaser"How do you work that out? He was contracted to us for another year. We could have (and should have) kept him for another year.
Oh, except we got a transfer fee...which we used to replace him with...er....remind me again...
I've got a feeling of deja vu.'"
Transfer fee was so Hood could treat himself to a newer model of Range Rover ha ha
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| Quote ="debaser"How do you work that out? He was contracted to us for another year. We could have (and should have) kept him for another year.
Oh, except we got a transfer fee...which we used to replace him with...er....remind me again...
I've got a feeling of deja vu.'"
I just wish some people would get it into their heads...if a player makes it pretty clear he wants out, and you stop him from going, the most likely outcome is that he either tosses it off till you relent, or feels he is playing under duress and fails to perform. Either way, making a stand on a point of principle becomes a textbook exercise in cutting your nose off to spite your face. You don't have to like it; you just have to live with it.
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| Quote ="debaser"How do you work that out? He was contracted to us for another year. We could have (and should have) kept him for another year.
Oh, except we got a transfer fee...which we used to replace him with...er....remind me again...
I've got a feeling of deja vu.'"
I'd rather have kept him for another season as well.
Lynch, fair enough, he's past his best and on his way down so cashing in 100k+ isn't a bad deal i suppose.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"I just wish some people would get it into their heads...if a player makes it pretty clear he wants out, and you stop him from going, the most likely outcome is that he either tosses it off till you relent, or feels he is playing under duress and fails to perform. Either way, making a stand on a point of principle becomes a textbook exercise in cutting your nose off to spite your face. You don't have to like it; you just have to live with it.'"
Or maybe, just maybe that the person behaves in a proffesional manner and see's out his contract that he's signed?
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| Quote ="Highlander"That's a real shame about Gaz Raynor. He played well for us this year.'"
Perhaps this was in breach of this seasons club policy.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"I just wish some people would get it into their heads...if a player makes it pretty clear he wants out, and you stop him from going, the most likely outcome is that he either tosses it off till you relent, or feels he is playing under duress and fails to perform. Either way, making a stand on a point of principle becomes a textbook exercise in cutting your nose off to spite your face. You don't have to like it; you just have to live with it.'"
I don't think so. It's a stand you only have to make once and tossing it off as you say, is a sure way to reduce a players value when his contract is up. Other clubs/coaches look upon that sort of behaviour very badly and it's a fact that how you play in the last year of your contract is key to a players value. On Lynch I think it's a good deal but had we refused to allow George Burgess to leave, played him as much as Tom this year there's good chance he'd have changed his mind and we'd still have both. I think this stuff about players sulking if they're not allowed to do as they like is massively overstated to shift the emphasis away from the club wanting the money. Had Lynch not tried/played well this coming season he would never have got a good move for his last 1/2 years.
On the other hand regularly accepting bids for players from other clubs sends a message to our own players to constantly be on the look out for other opportunities because if there's money it it the Bulls will not stand behind their own contracts. It also alerts other clubs (as in this case) that any/every player is for sale. This makes us look weak and suceptible to continuous gossip about losing other players (Tom to Souths etc). Overall it's a very poor standard to set, annoys the support base and is one other large clubs do not allow.
On the Sam Burgess question raised earlier, I would say that Wigan would not have allowed Sam Tomkins to have left before his contract ended. I also think Sam wouldn't have looked elsewhere had we been competetive.
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| the money that the club got for burgess wasnt used to replace him fair enough but i bet it went a long way to helping the training facilities at tong get finished , which are the best in the league and we are seeing other hidden benefits from that such as that young stand off we have just pinched from leeds saying that tong made a major impact on his decision to sign for the bulls , i dont think things are as black and white as " sell a player and buy another " sometimes if you look at the bigger picture , for example we now have a full squad of players using the best training ground in league thanks to the fee that we got for burgess.... HOWEVER it doesnt seem to be doing them any good does it to be honest lol
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| If we have managed to get 100k for Lynch , then this MUST be pumped back into the playing budget. A comment made earlier about us not being able to afford Lynch a new contract tends to say that his replacement will be on less money so in theory inferior to Lynch which is no good to man nor beast. Monies raised through transfers and put towards stadium upkeep and other costs is a dangerous road to be on. I am aware we are struggling but we have seen through the last 4 years by replacing a player with someone who is, who for want of better word, worse than the one sold then all you end up with eventually is rubbish. I am afraid we are too close to that already.
As you briefly alluded to superbulls, having the worst players in the league train at the best facilities in the league doesnt really count a jot. I suspect leeds lad felt he may have been a bit behind the rest of the leeds lads and felt he may be closer to 1st grade football here, I may be naive but i dont think he left leeds to come here because he had somewhere nice and warm to train
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| hmmm maybe , i dont suggest not replacing lynch at all especially not with ewan dowes ( just what iv read on here ) i think the tong training ground can only be seen as a positive thing especially when we got it from the sale of a player who... no doubt about it is world class BUT since hes left us souths havnt had all that much game time from him with injury after injury ... imagine been tight for cash like we are at the moment and having to play a world class player world class wages to sit on the sidelines with his foot in a cast, i think we did the right thing with burgess to be honest but now is definately the time to raise the bar a little regarding signings, wasnt there a rumour O'meley was out of contract this year??
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