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| Quote ="daveyz999"If Langley can stay fit, I think he's pretty vocal and the team defends better (Wigan aside) . Big question on the fitness though.
As vocal as L'estrange is, he only plays 1/2 game and when Langley's fit, he on for most of the game.
If Lynch was captain in 2012, I wouldn't complain. I actually think he has been vocal at times when we have been losing.'"
Le'strange all the way for captain. Langley- not a chance as he is too injury prone and doesn't even justify his massive wags and so he wouldn't fulfill captains roll as he is never on the bleeding pitch! I think as time goes on his body will age even more and he will be more Suceptable to even more injuries.
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| Lestrange, he has got everything a captain needs to rally his players, Langley has had his chance and I’m not sure he has made the best of it, let somebody else prove themselves.
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| has to be Heath for me . as for elima , its a good call but he gives away too many silly penalties to be leading the team, ie wigan for dissent, as a captain its a biiggg no no ,
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| I can't help but think that a few people have a somewhat two-dimensional view of a captain's full role, and of his necessary attributes and qualities?
For example, would Sir James have made a good first-choice captain? Remember Presley's immortal words (when Robbie was off the park and Jimmy had the armband) "Where's Robbie? I want to talk to someone sensible"?
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| I wouldn't give Heath the captaincy, he's abit of a loon which works well to bring enthusiasm but thats not always what you need from a captain. Its a guess but given the character he seems to have I don't think he'd want to be captain anyway.
I wouldn't change the captain but encourage more people to take responsibility especially in the back line. I don't think the problem is Lynch as captain as much as alot of the time its only Lynch giving any leadership. You can see the difference when Heath and Langley are on the pitch because they add some more leadership. Elima doesn't seem to have done that and in fact didn't he say in an interview he was happier now he was play and not being captain?
Hopefully with a full preseason one or more of the halfbacks we have will step up to the plate and start organising abit.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"I can't help but think that a few people have a somewhat two-dimensional view of a captain's full role, and of his necessary attributes and qualities?
For example, would Sir James have made a good first-choice captain? Remember Presley's immortal words (when Robbie was off the park and Jimmy had the armband) "Where's Robbie? I want to talk to someone sensible"?'"
And to think this guy is coaching at Leeds
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| Carrying out his undercover assignment to perfection.
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| I have played with a number of headless chickens in the Heath mould, brilliant players in their own right but should never be let near the captaincy. Lynch doesn't do it for me as captain, I would prefer Elima. Failing him I can't see an obvious choice.
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| Give Whitehead the job Leeds did it with Sinfield giving him the job at young age.
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| Quote ="redeverready"Give Whitehead the job Leeds did it with Sinfield giving him the job at young age.'"
I'm sure he's chomping at the bit to be the next captain
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| Funny how the club have used Heath to front the Pledge video I've just seen on Facebook.
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| Quote ="redeverready"Give Whitehead the job Leeds did it with Sinfield giving him the job at young age.'"
I said that last year
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| Quote ="Adeybull"I can't help but think that a few people have a somewhat two-dimensional view of a captain's full role, and of his necessary attributes and qualities?
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Suspect part of the problem is that a lot of teams have playmakers as captains. so you have a player doing the typical captains roles, leading by example etc, but also doing the playmakers organising role as well. the organising role isnt necessarily part of captains role but because a lot of teams have captains who are also playmakers the distinction between the roles has become blurred. We've done this ourselves in past with robbie,harris and deacon as captains so maybe its something our fans in particular have come to expect?
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| I think they should give to the big name signing that is yet to be announced.
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| Hindmarsh?
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| What about Sammut? Charisma, good media image, just like Robbie.
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| Quote ="Ancient Provocateur"What about Sammut? Charisma, good media image, just like Robbie.'"
Previous experience of captaincy.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"I can't help but think that a few people have a somewhat two-dimensional view of a captain's full role, and of his necessary attributes and qualities?
For example, would Sir James have made a good first-choice captain? Remember Presley's immortal words (when Robbie was off the park and Jimmy had the armband) "Where's Robbie? I want to talk to someone sensible"?'"
I'm not sure what influence the referee expects the captain to have in a game, to be honest. How many times does the ref, after a long discussion, say "go tell your lads" and [ithen[/i, barely giving the skipper time to get into the defensive line, blows for the penalty to be taken. Some chance to "go tell the lads".
Clearly the ref expects other players to know that they've been ticked off, and presumably why, simply by the fact the captain was called over. That being the case, it hardly matters which player he speaks to, or very probably, even what he actually says.
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| your not trying to suggest the ref gives advantage hoping opposition score and said captain gets chance to echo his words behind posts otherwise he is a useless cog are you?
i think we need a change of direction but who? It is not really anyone who stands out at the moment. I like disco, raynor has shown great attitude even when chips are down, morro would fit the bill.... Hindmarsh i note(not that i believe we will get him) is desperatly trying to avoid wooden spoon with eels as captain.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"I'm not sure what influence the referee expects the captain to have in a game, to be honest. How many times does the ref, after a long discussion, say "go tell your lads" and [ithen[/i, barely giving the skipper time to get into the defensive line, blows for the penalty to be taken. Some chance to "go tell the lads".
Clearly the ref expects other players to know that they've been ticked off, and presumably why, simply by the fact the captain was called over. That being the case, it hardly matters which player he speaks to, or very probably, even what he actually says.'"
I wasn't really referring to what happens during the games - because I agree with you. I was alluding to what happens AWAY from the games. The big part of the captain's role that we don't get to see. My point is that many people are judging who should be captain, understandably, based largely only on what they see in the 90 minutes. I brought Jimmy's example up because it exemplified something we DID see in the games, but that might have given the odd pointer to the rest of the time we do not see? As in...if a referee said he did not regard Jimmy as "sensible", I'd be a bit concerned about whether he was the best guy to be a captain?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"I wasn't really referring to what happens during the games - because I agree with you. I was alluding to what happens AWAY from the games. The big part of the captain's role that we don't get to see. My point is that many people are judging who should be captain, understandably, based largely only on what they see in the 90 minutes. I brought Jimmy's example up because it exemplified something we DID see in the games, but that might have given the odd pointer to the rest of the time we do not see? As in...if a referee said he did not regard Jimmy as "sensible", I'd be a bit concerned about whether he was the best guy to be a captain?'"
I knew what you meant Adey. It's just that your post gave me the opportunity to mention one of the 'sillies' which occur during games which have me scratching my head!
My view of a captain is really pretty basic and it has to be someone the players respect; whether he is one who intellectualises everything the nth degree or is the type who jumps up and shouts "up and at 'em". Both types have their place, given differing circumstances. Our ref who didn't think Jimmy was 'sensible' was looking for someone to calm some situation down, which I'd have to agree probably wasn't jimmy's strong point( ), but maybe that's where the 'leadership' players, the senior guys have a role to play.
Maybe a rabble rouser and a diplomat; one as skipper and the other as vice is the way to go?
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Maybe a rabble rouser and a diplomat; one as skipper and the other as vice is the way to go?'"
Robbie and Penguin?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Robbie and Penguin?'"
I'd take two players of that ability with or without their being captain material...........
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