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| B oring
U nderperforming
L imper than a week old iceberg lettuce
L ess impressive than my appearance on who wants to be a millionaire (but not by much) when I didn't even reach a thousand quid.
S oul destroying to walk away from every week.
Because that is what is the worst thing for me. I still fool myself into looking forward to going up to Odsal on a Sunday. In this weather a pint in Cue Gardens and then into the ground is still a great way to spend my time but the feeling afterwards is getting harder and harder to stomach. How long can it be before you start not to care anymore? I haven't written this season off yet because I still reckon we are only three wins off a play off place (but can we win three games from the six? I'd say you can forget half of them already with us playing Hull KR, Saints and Wigan away). But would you rather the season ended and we can start thinking about next year or see your team embarrassed in the play offs? Is making the play offs that important if you haven't got a cat in hells chance of even winning the first match? In 2007 I'd have much rather seen the team not qualify than the collapse against Wigan (in hindsight of course).
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| Quote ="wire-quin"I agree with that- I went to that game last night thinking we(Quins) had no chance with our better players missing- What we saw last night was London born lads getting stuck in and playing for there shirt rather than over paid "stars" who sometimes wont roll there sleeves up when there backs are to the wall. Some of our defence was good last night against a bigger pack-'"
Good post mate, I really do get the impression that half of the Bradford side don't want to try, can't be d putting in the hard graft or as you say roll up the sleeves when the going gets tough.
I was impressed last night at how many local London players Harlequins have in there side.
Jamie O'Callaghan, Tony Clubb, Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Ben Bolger, Lamont Bryan and Olsi Krasniqi.
Six players from London in the 17 last night who faced Bradford and all did the club proud.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"B oring
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L ess impressive than my appearance on who wants to be a millionaire (but not by much) when I didn't even reach a thousand quid.
S oul destroying to walk away from every week.
Because that is what is the worst thing for me. I still fool myself into looking forward to going up to Odsal on a Sunday. In this weather a pint in Cue Gardens and then into the ground is still a great way to spend my time but the feeling afterwards is getting harder and harder to stomach. How long can it be before you start not to care anymore? I haven't written this season off yet because I still reckon we are only three wins off a play off place (but can we win three games from the six? I'd say you can forget half of them already with us playing Hull KR, Saints and Wigan away). But would you rather the season ended and we can start thinking about next year or see your team embarrassed in the play offs? Is making the play offs that important if you haven't got a cat in hells chance of even winning the first match? In 2007 I'd have much rather seen the team not qualify than the collapse against Wigan (in hindsight of course).'"
Remaining fixtures (the ones in bold mean a win) :
Castleford: Wire (A), Wakey (H), Crusaders (A), Hull KR (A), Leeds (H), Saints (A). = 24 points
Bradford: Salford (H), Hull KR (A), Catalans (H), Saints (A), Wakey (H), Wigan (A). = 21 points
Wakefield: Hull FC (H), Cas (A), Saints (H), Giants (A), Wire (H), Bulls (A), Salford (A). = 20 points.
Out of those remaining games, I can see us getting maybe 4 points at least with the three games at home. It would be nice for us to get 6 points but I'm under no illusions that we'll leave Craven Park, Knowsley Road and the DW stadium with nothing and even then should Castleford get the three wins needed to see us out of the play-off race.
It's all depressing reading and thinking.
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| Worst ever performance since the last worst ever performance.
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| Quote ="Mick Gledhill"
Remaining fixtures (the ones in bold mean a win) :
Castleford: Wire (A), Wakey (H), Crusaders (A), Hull KR (A), Leeds (H), Saints (A). = 24 points
Bradford: Salford (H), Hull KR (A), Catalans (H), Saints (A), Wakey (H), Wigan (A). = 21 points
Wakefield: Hull FC (H), Cas (A), Saints (H), Giants (A), Wire (H), Bulls (A), Salford (A). = 20 points.
Out of those remaining games, I can see us getting maybe 4 points at least with the three games at home. It would be nice for us to get 6 points but I'm under no illusions that we'll leave Craven Park, Knowsley Road and the DW stadium with nothing and even then should Castleford get the three wins needed to see us out of the play-off race.
It's all depressing reading and thinking.'"
Have some faith, look at the run at the back end of last season - no one would have predicted that.
Things will have to drastically improve, but 4 wins is within our reach (if we can find some form).
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| Quote ="af"Worst ever performance since the last worst ever performance.'"
I've seen some poor performances in my time:
1998 Bradford 6-26 Leeds
1998 Salford 11-10 Bradford
1998 London 22-8 Bradford played at Tynecastle
1998 Bradford 18-38 Sheffield
1999 Leeds 45-16 Bradford
1999 St Helens 58-14 Bradford
2003 Bradford 12-22 London
2005 Bradford 0-30 Leeds
2006 St Helens 42-18 Bradford
2008 Leeds 44-2 Bradford
I'll stop at the Leeds game because there is quite a few from 2009 and 2010.
But yesterday I can say was the worst Bradford performnace under the Bulls name.
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| Not as bad as Warrington at home last season, or Crusaders at MM, or Crusaders away.
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| The problem is it's not just about last night. It's about the last few seasons and how we have gotten progressively worse. All the talking has amounted to nothing. The Players who have tried and the Players who have performed must be as demoralised as the Fans. And to a large degree it's these Players that are being paraded before the Press and Fans to tow the Club Line. You know, "we know what we've done wrong" "It's the silly little things we need to get right" "We have to work on our discipline" "we'll put it right in training" and all the other BS they have come out with. History will show how poor we became under McNamara. Let's just hope it's not too late to recover!
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Not as bad as Warrington at home last season, or Crusaders at MM, or Crusaders away.'"
I'm sorry but it was, I would gladly sit through any of the above over last nights game.
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| Quote ="Mick Gledhill"I'm sorry but it was, I would gladly sit through any of the above over last nights game.'"
I didn't go.
But I can't see it being much worse than Wire at home.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I didn't go.
But I can't see it being much worse than Wire at home.'"
About on par when I think about it mate.
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| Quote ="Spannerz"The problem is it's not just about last night. It's about the last few seasons and how we have gotten progressively worse. All the talking has amounted to nothing. The Players who have tried and the Players who have performed must be as demoralised as the Fans. And to a large degree it's these Players that are being paraded before the Press and Fans to tow the Club Line. You know, "we know what we've done wrong" "It's the silly little things we need to get right" "We have to work on our discipline" "we'll put it right in training" and all the other BS they have come out with. History will show how poor we became under McNamara. Let's just hope it's not too late to recover!'"
That's why I said in the opening post on this thread, that it's not about last night, but what has been happening for some time now.
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| Mick you don't have much look with London-What with the snow last year and last nights performances its not a happy hunting ground
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Mick you don't have much look with London-What with the snow last year and last nights performances its not a happy hunting ground'"
It's always been a tough ground to get the points.
Our record at the Stoop:
1997: CC London Broncos 12-34 Bradford Bulls (Att 6,102) Ref: D Campbell (Widnes)
1997: SL London Broncos 28-24 Bradford Bulls (Att 9,166) Ref: J Connolly (Wigan)
1998: SL London Broncos 34-8 Bradford Bulls (Att 4,63icon_cool.gif Ref: R Smith (Castleford)
2006: SL Harlequins RL 28-26 Bradford Bulls (Att 4,720) Ref: R Silverwood (Dewsbury)
2007: SL Harlequins RL 22-36 Bradford Bulls (Att: 3,986) Ref: P Bentham (Warrington)
2008: SL Harlequins RL 36-24 Bradford Bulls (Att: 2,783) Ref: A Klein (Aus)
2009: SL Harlequins RL 18-42 Bradford Bulls (Att: 3,100) Ref: I Smith (Oldham)
2010: SL Harlequins RL 35-16 Bradford Bulls (Att: 3,156) Ref R Silverwood (Dewsbury)
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| Vinny Finnigan : Quote “Steve hasn’t said that much to me yet about where he sees my future but I’d play prop if that’s what they wanted.”
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That's exactly the type of player we want playing for our club.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Vinny Finnigan : That's exactly the type of player we want playing for our club.'"
College should break up in the next couple of weeks so He'll be able to train full time. He'll make his debut not look out of place and then we won't see him again going back to the usual game of musical chairs with players who are average at best in their own positions trying to fill in elsewhere. Square pegs, round holes, silk purses, sows ears and all that.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Vinny Finnigan : That's exactly the type of player we want playing for our club.'"
It doesn't fill you with any confidence does it?
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| With us playing you lot after we play that group over the river at their gaf next week what do you think will be our chances?
Will you finally find some form as you almost always seem to play well against us.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"With us playing you lot after we play that group over the river at their gaf next week what do you think will be our chances?
Will you finally find some form as you almost always seem to play well against us.'"
I'll be totally honest and say that you'll win by a good twenty points.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"With us playing you lot after we play that group over the river at their gaf next week what do you think will be our chances?
Will you finally find some form as you almost always seem to play well against us.'"
You'll have had 8 days off. Plus you lot are looking good and if you play like you did last night you'll stick 60 past us.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"You'll have had 8 days off. Plus you lot are looking good and if you play like you did last night you'll stick 60 past us.'"
Say it as it is why don't you
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| Quote ="Mick Gledhill"Good post mate, I really do get the impression that half of the Bradford side don't want to try, can't be d putting in the hard graft or as you say roll up the sleeves when the going gets tough.
I was impressed last night at how many local London players Harlequins have in there side.
Jamie O'Callaghan, Tony Clubb, Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Ben Bolger, Lamont Bryan and Olsi Krasniqi.
Six players from London in the 17 last night who faced Bradford and all did the club proud.'"
For a change, you make some valid points Mick.
And, for fear of repetition, well done Brian Mac for having faith in his youth system. Takes some bottle and self belief in an era of feet stamping "I want it now" demands.
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| Quote ="Mick Gledhill"I'll be totally honest and say that you'll win by a good twenty points.'" Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"You'll have had 8 days off. Plus you lot are looking good and if you play like you did last night you'll stick 60 past us.'" Im sorry you can't really be that bad surely!
I'm expecting a bit of a backlash.
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| i feel for you lot...what makes me laugh is the board can see whats going on week in week out....all the complaints on here..etc..but they still sit on their @rses and do nowt...as long as the money's coming in they dont give a toss about you speccies.
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| Quote ="Mick Gledhill"Say it as it is why don't you
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Well after watching Dobson kick a team like Leeds to death with Donald, Hall and Smith struggling to make any ground on kick returns due to a) the quality of the kick and b) tremendous kick chase (I can't remember a Leeds player returning a KR kick without being met by at least 2 tacklers almost immediately) can you imagine what a time Sheriffe, Reardon/Halley will have?
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