This lad has got to start giving more in minutes and effort to take the pressure off Alex & Kyle, he's not giving his all this season and to me feels like he's just waiting to go home?

The thing is, if he plays long mins they say he's playing to long, if he plays short mins he's not playing long enough.

For me, it boils down to him not putting the effort in. If a 6ft 6in 18st guy puts effort in he's hard to stop but he's like a big fat pudding.

Not being good enough I can live with but not putting effort in is another tbing and for me when we get players back Id take mose out.

I've been a big defender of his, but last night was woeful

Someone needs to tell KC that the pass selection to Mose is atrocious, like everybody else we tend to watch Mose when he comes on the pitch.
Yes he does not make himself available at times, but I saw 3 occasions on his first stint that Mose was in a good available postion but Roby ignored it and switched played to the other side each time it went to LMS, in that first stint he touched the ball once.

But whats different last night from the other 90% of games he's played ? Is it because we are losing now so people won't tolerrate the pudding ?

I've never seen a player be given so many excuses yet if swifty drops the ball he's bagged big time.

For example - Amor is off form but I'll never bag him because his effort. He keeps coming even tho he's getting dominated. He will work his socks off and he can't walk aftet the game as he's wasted but mose walks of that pitch with the cleanest shirt on the pitch with big smile on his face.

The pack is a unit and I i was robes, Amor or Walmsley Id be having a quite word with mose about not pulling his (over)weight.

So it's now robes fault mose only did 5 carries last night and his avg gain was shocking for a big man ?

Jesus! It's Browns fault for not playing him long enough. It's Browns fault for playing him to long. Mose not fit yet. KC doesn't plsy him long enough. KC plays him to long. We don't pass to him on coaches orders. Roby doesnt pass to him. We don't give him good ball!

Yet nobody come up with the guy is lazy, not good enough and had no desire. Everyone to blame apart from mose.

It certainly was Robes fault when we all noticed on 3 occasions the ball should have gone to Mose who was in a better position but switched to LMS.
We all know he doesn,t do enough carries but he needs to get the ball in the first place, he,s the worse for making himself unavailable but we make it even worse by not bringing him into play and using him ais a decoy on numerous occasions instead.
What i can,t understand is that they played him for 24 mins in his first stint last week and for about 9 mins this week.

Last night's performance was indefensible from Masoe for me. He was a complete waste of an interchange in his 1st spell and bar one decent run in the 2nd half he offered us nothing.

He got lucky we was successful last year as he got a easy ride. His performances and stats was awful last year too.


Funny how all the other forwards get the ball apart from mose isn't it. I seen robes take the ball himself twice when walsh wanted it so it's not just poor mose that robes is picking on.

Thats absolutely correct other forwards will get more ball because Mose is a so called impact prop.
Agree, Robes pass selection has been poor at times, the problem is our flat attack and doesn,t see the options and resorts to running the ball in himself.

Forgive me for being a little thick but shouldn't impact props be actully taking the ball in if on for short period ?

You look at the likes of feka at hull whos a impact prop, he comes on takes it in hard and fast and then leaves the field. We have mose come on, do one or two carries and leave ?

Even when he started agsinst hull, he did 25 mins from the start and did 3 carries.

Surely you can't make excuses for that sort of performances ?

YES........I am not defending him, I am just highlighting there are other factors involved. The team players and coach seem to have accepted his erratic involvement.
Through his own or players fault he doesn,t get enough passes to make any decent carries, through his own or coaches fault he doesn,t play enough minutes.
Our squad quality is not good enough to drop him, yet as a club we don,t seem want to fix it, with this individual player management the club are just as bad as Mose himself.

Let's just say up until our injuries im pretty sure mose wouldn't have been in the 17 every week. Read into that as you wise but I'll be surprised if he finishes the season as a starting player in our 17.

That's upto Mose himself really. The frustrating thing with Masoe is at times he can be a brilliant gamechanger for us. Of all the players in the squad his performances level fluctuate the most.

He was a disgrace last night. I won't be sad to him to go.

People call Lance but Mose has been a huge flop. He offers nothing. I'd be happy if we let him go and free some money up on the cap.

If you people honestly believe a guy as hard-headed as Keiron wouldn't drop Mose in a HEARTBEAT if he didn't think he was performing - you don't know Keiron.

He's dropped Lance.
He's dropped Jones.
He was instrumental in booting Gaskell.
Ditto Foster.
He even dropped Wello, a guy who he KNOWS will die for the club.

We aren't THAT short in the forwards he can't afford to drop Mose. He hasn't.

Explain that.

Oh, I forgot. You can't.

Kieron's human and makes mistakes and poor judgement, like some posters on here.

He's probably hoping and praying that maybe, just maybe he might fulfil just a tiny bit of the bags of potential that he has.

Thats the problem we know the potential is there but we can,t extract it, be it by Mose himself or team play, is KC trying to work out the right formula.
Mose is a proven NRL and International player and allegidally wanted by 4 NRL clubs, they are obviously seeing something that our club can,t extract.
Have the club or himself allowed him to be "a big kid in a pub team" performer.

It would be interesting if Wane coached pur pack for a couple of weeks would we see a better Mose Masoe.

Ah, I see - it's Keiron's sense of misguided sentimentality.

Or better still - he's frightened that Mose might beat him up if he tells him off!



Trouble is - if there were trophy for the most my-way-or-the-highway individual at the club Cunningham would win at a canter. Throughout his career Keiron has repeatedly demonstrated a ruthless streak when it comes to his own interests.

If you bothered to pay any attention to his behaviour with some of the kids you know this and wouldn't strain credulity propagating such baseless twaddle.

I know KC very very well mate. Mose is on borrowed time at the moment and if it wasn't for the likes of vea and greenwood being out im pretty sure he'd be out the 17.

KC had nothing to do with Gaskell and Foster leaving saints. Absolutely nothing!!

Hahaha, have you swallowed a thesaurus Mugwump? I personally think there's a time and place to apply the fancy vocabulary. You're obviously trying to strengthen your argument and at the same time, patronise a fellow poster (me). I can't be bothered rising to it.

Back to the discussion, Cunningham is new in the job. He knows what Mose is capable of, like we all do and I imagine (I'm propagating here) giving him more '2nd chances' than he would probably give someone else.