GET. OFF. THE. CRACK.

looks like the coaches attitude is rubbing off on some off the fans. Seriously not sure ho you can complain about that its hardly like its intentional, its not late and its not a shoulder charge. somebody find out which side of his face hurts and you will know if its from flower or Amor.

From that clip, I would not say it's not late, when you pause just before contact, the ball is leaving his hands as the player goes in.

Amor has not cracked his face as when Flower hits Walsh, Amor is already below shoulder height.

However, it is a shoulder charge. There are no arms out for a tackle. He does not make any tackle hence why Walsh is sent spinning to the ground. And it's not a shoulder charge that's below head height.

It's a tackle that should have been penalized under today's rules. You have to have the arms around the player nowa days. Leaning in shoulder first is never going to work..

Not sure whether they will sight him off that evidence or not, but it's fairly clear. But given it was a friendly and if Walsh escapes with just a bruise I imagine it will be ignored.

Impossible to tell off that clip so I'll not make any comment on this incident. Obviously if the was contact to the head it's a high shot but it's not clear enough to see on that.

It's not hard to jump to the conclusion with wigans recent history with hitting late and high off the ball.

That one wasn't late, but it definitely wasn't a "traditional" tackle, can't really tell what Flower was trying (other than to bruise Walsh) but as he sees the ball go he effectively turns it into a shoulder charge whilst abandoning the tackle. Seems pretty clear cut that it was a reckless challenge to me, though certainly not late.

FWIW, from pausing it looks to me like Flower catches his jaw with the front (rather than point) of his shoulder which probably saved Walsh from his jaw breaking. Walsh was stooping to make the pass, Amor had already fallen before contact was made due to the presence of Pettybourne hence the fallout, but the initial contact from Flower was definitely the cause of the damage. Hope Walsh is ok.

Because it's not like wiganers have adopted the attitude of everything our players do is just aggression, even when 2/3 players are getting injured for the opposition every game, where as if anyone so much as sneezes 10 feet near a Wigan player it's one of the greatest crimes known to humanity, is it?

What's that saying about people in glass houses?

It seems as though there were 2 seperate incidents. The one on Vine and one afterwards where Amor clattered into Walsh.

So no one is sure where the jaw got injured. It could have been from either hit.

They're the same incident, Walsh doesn't get up from the one shown on vine (it's from WiganTV @ 1:07 ish).

Ah right. I was not there so I've only seen the vine and the talk on the net. It sounded like 2 different incidents, one from a kick and one from a pass.

But either way if he's fine then I doubt many will be bothered in a week or two.

There was absolutely nothing in the incident from the kick and Walsh was fine after that.

It was definitely the incident with Flower where he got hurt.

Since when did Saints turn into a bunch of cowards? It was a repercussion from a tough attempted tackle, that's all.

Spineless. You wish you was as ruthless as Wigan.

It's best to be grammatically correct before trying to be 'clever'.

Go away you silly boy.

Bothered.

Saints are missing a backbone and you know it.

Grow up and behave, or go away, permanently

It's a valid opinion - Tell which parts of the last two posts violate the AUP?

You are trolling. You won't last long.

I'm not trolling what so ever.

I think it's obvious Saints are missing the ruthlessness shown by Wigan and Warrington - Not helped by the crying from Nathan Brown, who himself has developed a reputation for it.

Bye

As I posted on Red Vee.

I've just watched it again. The tackle wasn't late or high. Flower is committed to make the tackle and no way could he have pulled out. It MAY have been a shoulder charge but it is difficult at that speed and camera angle to be conclusive. If it was then a penalty is all it was. As I've said the review panel and if necessary the disciplinary will look and take action, so let's leave it to them.

I don't think it's conclusive either way. But if he's hurt his jaw it must have been high (if Amor wasn't the cause, of course)

Not saying its late and you cant see if its high. It is though a definite shoulder charge.

So a penalty at most?
The Wigan t.v footage is much clearer than the ones posted on here.

Well it's nice to see that we credit enough of the response we did this year. Makes a nice change.

yep, i'm not saying it was the world worst hit, but against the rules none the less. A ten year ban should be sufficient

Be fair, it isn't like Flower questioned Brown's attitude or the ruthlessness of the squad.

For what it's worth, I would be worried if Brown's public face of outrage towards a pretty regular occurrence in this sport, [ifrom any team[/i, is a reflection on the culture of the team he fosters - what appears to be blame deflection and scapegoating. However, I sincerely doubt that Brown really thinks in this manner, or even if he did that he'd rub off on the players - he's a professional.