Not the 30-40 million minimum you'd need to build a new stadium, assuming you could even get the planning permission in the first place to build another stadium in Pieland that would then be competing directly for the limited events and corporate dosh available with a Premier League football club stadium.

Wigan lucked out with the JJB basically falling into their lap and are on a flipping good deal there at least for the immediate future. If you ever do get turfed out of there by Premier League machinations then you will be in big trouble... If I were a Pie, besides being upset at my suddenly reduced intellect and the added inconvenience of having an extra toe on each foot, I would be very, [ivery[/i worried indeed about what my stadium's landlords could do to me not too far down the line...

yeah i am sure your intellect is far greater than ian lenagan after all he would just leave hes investment (and the club he loves) on a whim and promise from dave wheelan not to kick us out. after all ian wouldn't have spent a fortune on lawyers who have more knowledge on leasing contracts than anybody on this board would he? classic cant compete with us on the field these days so now its move to academy results and new half finished stadium

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just out of curiousity how much did langtree park cost? i didnt really keep up with the stadium progress. there is plenty spare land and two facilities we could develop (al park and edge hall road stadium both wigan own) and i highly doubt wigan council wouldn't allow wigan rugby not to have a stadium in its own town.

so are you guessing the events that go on at the stadium are more from wigan football than rugby? do you know who brings in the most money into the dw?

i will be honest i don't fully know but i am guessing the sale of al park allowed and raised the funds for dave wheelan to build the dw stadium.

oww yeah and the "landlord" is in need of cash at the dw cant see us being moved anywhere right now.

i also have 2 big toes and 8 little ones, i am not the brightest but i do ok for my self in life but thanks for your concern

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but back on track, st helens finances aren't good at the moment kind of the like the playing sqaud and wigans club is all round fantastic right now.

I will be honest,i dont fully know,but the sale of Central Park saved Wigan from going bust,they were then left with no choice but to move in at the then allready built JJB,they also very nearly moved to Bolton.Whelan had previously tried to buy Central Park to develop and share between Latics and the Rugby club.
Bits of my statement maybe wrong,but i am no expert on Wigan RL,and after your comment about our squad neither are you on Saints

excellent stuff.

Regarding Saints finances, we are not going to get a true reflection off the clubs finances for a while. We will get the year at Widnes' numbers in the next few months and these are likely to be pretty horrible. Even next years will not be a fair reflection as we have still got some one offs still to pay (c***ing).

The end game is to make Saints sustainable, but we will have to wait a while to know if this has actually been achieved.

The greater game is still not going to be sustainable either way.

My intellect is self-evidently several leagues above the likes of yours...

And yes, I'm sure Wigans' premier sports team are desperate to keep on receiving the 1.5 million or so a season your lot of squatters have to give them to keep the bailiffs away when they otherwise would have to make do and mend on the mere 60 million a year they get from the Premier League alone....

Given how many Pies there are that are trolls on this forum, I think the new Piedome should be built under a bridge to make them all feel at home... Or under a stone where most of them belong

i dont pretend to be something i am not but i would say i have been clever enough in life to see my self through

. dave must be happy with the 1.5 or why agree a 50 year lease

. you know people in glass houses and that lark why are you trying argue saints are better off than wigan when the accounts and everything else says otherwise?

Let's see who's better off in 10 years' time then shall we? The club that owns it's own money-making, state-of-the-art stadium lock-stock-and-barrel, or the club that bought trophies for a decade that it had to sell it's assets and future to be able to afford, and is now a vagrant tenant of a giant football club at a time when the football authorities are starting moves to force football clubs to kick out their rugby tenants.

See you at LSV or Salford in a decade

haha i am trying to be half serious and your making me laugh too much. have you been to langtree yet or seen the photos? the roof has fell off and you cant put the cladding up because it may cause to much pressure on the stands. in ten years wigan football will be relegated wigan rugby will still be at the dw, saints will still be at the trailer park struggling to maintain the up keep and mc manus will be moaning to the rlf still because you still have an empty trophy cabinet.

The roof has fell off



Love it.

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It's the difference between owning your own house and renting off the council.

The DW is a great facility, but it isn't, and never will be yours.

i wouldn't know and hopefully will never have to

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difference between sucessful club and one thats not

These ing contests over the respective stadiums is tedious in the extreme. Ours isn't and they aren't going to be turfed out any time soon.

It'll be interesting to see how the various tax bills that all clubs will have to pay (and I include Wigan in that, I don't see how Dave Whelan would use tax avoidance everywhere else in his empire and not in one individual part) will hit finances. I think I'm siding with McManus on this, we're entering a recession and reliant on tv money (as is every other sizeable sport in the country), the league will end up dropping in size with each club getting an increased share. I already think the talent is being spread a little thin.

Indeed. My dad is most definately harder than your dad.

Back on Topic.

I'd expect the beer takings alone at Saints would keep us propped up. Me and a few mates were really doing our best to sup the place dry on Good Friday Those little cardboards trays they have are like a red rag to a bull, you've just got to fill them up. Plus we must be nearly averaging 15K crowds and I don't see any free tickets being handed out tbh.

That's just so wrong.

Does the magic weekend actually raise any money or does it feel like a waste to everyone else aswell? Im pretty sure it will be the lowest attended derby of the year when we play in Manchester. 18000 at your place 20000 + at ours how many will be on to see us next month and how many will be cut price tickets? 100% of them id say.

Tried it and its failed IMO when its ended up in Manchester, scrap it and get the cup final earlier in the year again.

A retired friend who was a "die hard" at Knowlsey Road popular side made his first visit to the new ground for the Wigan game, has not been able to get a ticket so far this season for any games standing and does not have the money for a season ticket?

But said he does not care if he ever goes again, game spoiled by people constantly through the game asking to pass to go and fill up with supplies of berry in those little cardboard trays!

But then finances with improved crowds does it really matter about "die hards" ????

What's the alternative? Not have a club in existence because you have a crowd of 2000 "die-hards" every week, but at least no-one gets up to go have a pi ss or a drink?

I find it hard to fathom that a die hard would be bothered by people going for beer. Surely if Bruce Willis was put off by Alan Rickman going for a few beers for him and his mercanary mates it surely would have been called die not so hard.

Yep it can be a tad annoying and I've no idea of his personal experience on the day. But I've been asked to stand I think once for someone passing with beer in the 3 or 4 times I've been to LP. If he is counting before kickoff and during half time that's just silly as it's not interupting anything.

You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. If saints lose a dozen old farts on their way to averaging 15k speccies then so be it.

Great way of putting it!

not very die hard is he?
"i'm not going if someone wants to get past me for beer!"

Sounds a bit pathetic to me.