Sounds great, but you've got to include Wellens in the 17. This season has proven beyond doubt that he'll never be dropped, he'll play every game he's fit for. Wherever you put him, it weakens things considerably.

just shows how the standard of sl players has fallen sharply,when an average player like burns is lauded has a great signing.

Haha. Hull fan by any chance? Don't be bitter son.

You should be an expert on cr&p half backs being a duller,burns is quality,you would have loved to have a good 100% half back like burns,still you've got pryce and his zimmer,your club is like a rest home for ageing players.

Jones? Or have I missed something....?

Can we start now please?

your right about him being competitive and if he can get the rest of the team feeling the same you should be ok, but personally I don't think his running or kicking game is that good. tends to run down a lot of blind alleys and always finds the fb with his kicks, in a better team he could really flourish though. I guess we'll see next season.

good luck to him.

Please enlighten me as to which remarks were 'Snide'. I merely think it is very hard for a player to perform to his best every week without help from his team mates. His drop off in form was probably when he realised he was the only player trying to win every week. It also could have something to do with knowing he was leaving.

At Saints he won't be expected to carry the team every week, he may be asked to carry that burden occasionally but most of the time he will be part of a structure ( one spoke on the wheel as it were).

You say that we are not at the cap but you have absolutely no way of knowing that.

Its not a simple case of looking at the outs and ins.

Many of the younger players have had their contracts upgraded and that also needs to be factored in.

Alex W has been playing under an academy contract so he for one will have been given a big hike.

Unless you are on the senior club staff not sure how you could declare whether there is any wiggle room in the cap.

Weve room for only one more & are looking for a forward.

I wouldn't argue this point too hard if I were you ... Quantitive analysis is designed for basically this purpose... Made easier by the fact it's basically a zero sum game. Also kid upgrades only count if it takes them into the top 25 earners at the club...

Wheelers contract and cloughs contract = increases to Percival, Thompson and Richards contract who signed Midseason (plus change if there's a run over on any of the others)
Soliolas contract = Vea's contract + increase in Amors contract.
Laffranchis contract = Burns contract + increase Walmsleys contract
Manus contract = ???? (Hock?)

I'd have a basic guess at. We have room for another quality forward. Which we also know from what Brown said a few weeks ago...

So after all that you admit you are' guessing'!!

guessing with maths - everyone knows guessing is totally reliable when numbers are involved!

I don't know what pay structures Saints build their models on, so I can't definitively say that those will be the match ups, but they seem to work



Guessing or not, it is in line with what we've been told, which is the best indicator that were not done with Burns

My comment wasn't based on looking at the outs and ins.

We aren't up to the cap and we have space for another signing. That isn't a guess.

Oops. Forgot all about him!

Snide according to the dictionary is supercilious, sneering, expressive of contempt.
"In your team Cooper Cronk and Johnathon Thurston would look bang average."
Your statement fits the definition very well. Your comments on 18th September don't help your cause either. Why give me your idea of a dose of reality? I realise exactly where my team is. The fact remains the Burns has played a good half season out of two. His first season was average. His second consisted of two halves good and again average. I do not claim to know why he has performed like this. He may or may not perform consistently better for you only time will tell. We rescued his career and he repaid us by giving us half a season. Do you actually want a player like that, who chooses when to give of his best? All this of course assumes he is actually going to cross the Pennines.

You raise some good points. Serious question - how do you consider Burns compares with Blake Green?

Ade G back on the payroll too he won't be on buttons.

Was never off the payroll, in terms of cap at least:

I'd take Blake Green anytime. He is more consistent, kicks better, try ratio whilst with us better. Always gives of his best. Better temperament. Only downside seems more susceptible to injury.

Where does it mention salary cap?

I heard a whisper that Burns was at the game tonight

Yes Burns was at the game tonight. He was also in the glass horse yesterday with Trent Waterhouse (must be mates from there Penrith days?). Wonder if his been training with Saints ?

Pictures of Burns sat next to Walsh and other injured players at the game tonight. Must of been introduced etc.. to the squad.

In the glasshouse, I hope he was training the hell out of that place with Waterhouse in tow.