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| Quote ="St pete"Nobody would be talking about Charnock if we had a proper stand off at the club and Walsh was fit, it's not like he's bee. Tipped to be a star or even stands out at u19s like the likes of Percy, Saveilio, Richards etc has.
If Brown doesn't think Charnock is ready, then he's 100% right not to pick him but regarding Andre, it seems strange he's not played more often but IMO we are being cautious due to his recent illness and injuries.'"
Disagree on that one mate, obviously I can only go off what I read about it, but he's regularly mentioned in reviews, and been picked out by a couple of opposition fans as standouts. He has the skills, but so did Yates, Ellis and a few others, it's up to him to be patient, take his chances and continue to develop
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| Quote ="barry1982"Alls I'm saying is he plays in the position wer looking for and need , a full back and 2nd rower wer using when a young lad could play maybe won't be a world class kid but should do a job , he will get experience and can only get better at what he does ,'"
Except he isn't. Were fine for 13. If you want to be calling for a youngster, Hewitt is your man. As for being world class, people far more knowledgable than either of us have deemed that not to be the case yet (not to say he won't go on to be) - since you bring up the all hail wigans fabulous development brigade throwing charnock in now would be the equivalent of what Wigan did a couple of years ago with brown and Robinson, too much too young, burn them out, and letting them have half the career they could,
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| He played 9 last week can prob play a few positions as he is at saints , and wasn't scully a 13
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| He could of played a few times this year at the lesser teams and ant , saints had hoped Walsh wouldn't get injured it's back fired again , he would do a job that's what I'm trying to put across
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| Quote ="barry1982"He played 9 last week can prob play a few positions as he is at saints , and wasn't scully a 13'"
And your comparing a 19 year old to one of the most complete players in a generation in Sculthorpe. Were in serious danger of a Gaskell mrk.II here...
And brown and the other coaches at saints disagree with you, they deem him not ready. That doesn't mean he won't ever be, but throwing him in at the business end this year will do far more damage than good. As would playing him against "lesser teams" earlier in the season because he's not ready. Our junior 7 is Hewitt, if your going to champion throwing a kid in, then that's the name you need to be calling for.
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| He had to get the chance to become that complete player tho , and for Wigan if they wer down to the last body's they would put youngsters in , oh and most play in the original positions
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| Quote ="barry1982"He had to get the chance to become that complete player tho , and for Wigan if they wer down to the last body's they would put youngsters in , oh and most play in the original positions'"
Jack Hughes is/ was a centre in academy, is a second row in first team, Powell and Williams are both halfbacks who have played hooker this year, just to name a few Wigan kids playing out of position this year.
He will get his chance. It's not now or never. It might be next season or a few after that, but to get it he needs to impress the right people, which he hasn't done so far. That doesn't mean he won't do, but by your argument every player in the academy should play super league to "get his chance" but it doesn't work like that.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Jack Hughes is/ was a centre in academy, is a second row in first team, Powell and Williams are both halfbacks who have played hooker this year, just to name a few Wigan kids playing out of position this year.
He will get his chance. It's not now or never. It might be next season or a few after that, but to get it he needs to impress the right people, which he hasn't done so far. That doesn't mean he won't do, but by your argument every player in the academy should play super league to "get his chance" but it doesn't work like that.'"
Jack Hughes wasn't a centre in the academy.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Disagree on that one mate, obviously I can only go off what I read about it, but he's regularly mentioned in reviews, and been picked out by a couple of opposition fans as standouts. He has the skills, but so did Yates, Ellis and a few others, it's up to him to be patient, take his chances and continue to develop'"
That's a good point mate, I've seen him play many many times and you've read about him. Your not really in a place to comment
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| Quote ="St pete"That's a good point mate, I've seen him play many many times and you've read about him. Your not really in a place to comment'"
You said he doesn't stand out, he pointed out that he often gets named as a stand out in match reports (maybe the writer sees more of him than even superfan St Pete?) and opposition supporters.
Perfectly fair "place to comment."
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| Quote ="St pete"That's a good point mate, I've seen him play many many times and you've read about him. Your not really in a place to comment'"
Ha! Says the man who felt perfectly justified in arguing about Masoe's performance against Hudds based on some stats he read!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Ha! Says the man who felt perfectly justified in arguing about Masoe's performance against Hudds based on some stats he read!'"
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| Well I'll go fetch my handbag.......
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| This is quite entertaining actually.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Ha! Says the man who felt perfectly justified in arguing about Masoe's performance against Hudds based on some stats he read!'"
Sarcasm girl. That's why I out that. It was a little joke.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"You said he doesn't stand out, he pointed out that he often gets named as a stand out in match reports (maybe the writer sees more of him than even superfan St Pete?) and opposition supporters.
Perfectly fair "place to comment."'"
Thanks for the compliment
I must only be a superfan to you when you pm me for info ey.
Obviously our super coach agrees with our superfan as he can't get a look in when we've got lance, Walsh and Wilkin out!
Also, maybe our super u19s coach agrees with superfan and super coach as he's not even playing in the halves at u19s level.
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| St. Pete is right he's not , been playing 9 and 13 ,but he can play in the halves
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| Quote ="St pete"Thanks for the compliment
I must only be a superfan to you when you pm me for info ey.
Obviously our super coach agrees with our superfan as he can't get a look in when we've got lance, Walsh and Wilkin out!
Also, maybe our super u19s coach agrees with superfan and super coach as he's not even playing in the halves at u19s level.'"
When have I pm'd you for info?
Ps you've utterly missed the point of my post.
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| Quote ="St pete"Sarcasm girl. That's why I out that. It was a little joke.
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Good job I got what you meant
Anyway, if any of the team needed any more motivation for tomorrow, listen to the sky commentary tonight, were already 3rd listening to them!
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Good job I got what you meant
Anyway, if any of the team needed any more motivation for tomorrow, listen to the sky commentary tonight, were already 3rd listening to them!'"
Some just can't take a joke
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| Quote ="St pete"Some just can't take a joke
Booooooooom'"
I'm in me mums car, broom broom.
(I doubt anybody will get that)
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| Can we get back on topic please. This is about Walsh being injured and not about me being the best saints fan of all time even tho I like that compliment.
St pete is dead, from now on I'd like to be called superfan!!!
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"I'm in me mums car, broom broom.
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I do. It's that bad it's funny!
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"I'm in me mums car, broom broom.
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| Sort of back on topic, in that it's about an injury, I just listened to the BBC 5 Live podcast from last night and in it Jon Wilkin told Dave Woods that he is having a shoulder operation next week and will be gone for the year.
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