Brown made the comment re.McDonnell last Friday and since then has obviously trained with Turner and Wheeler at 6 and 7 and then yesterday said that he will be going with those two.

Turner is just utterly useless at 6. Wello is worse than useless there too.

Do we seriously not have anyone in the academy who could do that role? Charnock looked physically up to it 12 months ago when he did fine against Salford in the snow. Could he not play?

A couple of people on the other forum have said that there are salary cap ramifications to playing some of the younger players. They have said that certain appearances would trigger bonuses that could take us above the cap. Strange but true apparently.

If Charnock doesnt play I have no idea where we are going to magic up a kicking game

someone asked the question maybe on here i can’t remember, does dual reg not work both ways?

It's over so many games, so I don't think Charnock playing would trigger it. It may be the reason we haven't see Joe Greenwood for a while though?

I honestly don't know mate, I'm just going off what a couple of people said on redvee who are normally bang on with stuff. I heard the same rumour re. Savelio a few weeks back too.

If there is no issue with playing Charnock other than him simply not being deemed good enough then it doesn't say much about him as player. Surely in this situation we would be crying out for a natural half-back with a decent kicking game?

Its a mystery to me why he hasn't been included at all this season.

Is he not being looked at as a 13?

I don't know, but he's playing hooker for the academy apparently. Surely just being in the first team, with little expectation and no pressure from the club, would be better than not being in the first team? Even if it is in a position they don't seem him playing long term?

And that's the problem with the salary cap, it's preventing the club from giving younger players the opportunity to stake a claim in the first team when injuries clearly demand it. A player promoted from the academy should be exempt from the cap in the first season, then 50% of their salary exempt for the duration they are with the club.

Quote ="The Chief"And that's the problem with the salary cap, it's preventing the club from giving younger players the opportunity to stake a claim in the first team when injuries clearly demand it. A player promoted from the academy should be exempt from the cap in the first season, then 50% of their salary exempt for the duration they are with the club.'" No, no its not. Its amazing how quickly incorrect facts spread about the salary cap, and then become gospel www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/i ... section=E1 Quote (d) A Club may seek prior dispensation in writing to the RSCM to exceed the Aggregate Liability by a specified amount. In making a decision, the RSCM will act reasonably, taking into account one or more of the following factors: (i) the Club’s Players being unavailable through injury, absence and/or termination, (ii) the Club’s intention to promote junior players who would otherwise be prevented from playing in a Salary Cap Relevant Match, (iii) player welfare (for example, where a Club would otherwise be prevented from playing a Player in a situation that means that the Club instead selects an injured Player to play or another Player whose Salary Cap Value is low enough for the Club to remain within the Cap but who might not be ready for 1st team duties, and (iv) other circumstances considered reasonable (by the RSCM, acting reasonably). '" I also posted this on the other forum, but why let facts get in the way of a good moan

Quote ="The Chief"And that's the problem with the salary cap, it's preventing the club from giving younger players the opportunity to stake a claim in the first team when injuries clearly demand it. A player promoted from the academy should be exempt from the cap in the first season, then 50% of their salary exempt for the duration they are with the club.'" No, no its not. Its amazing how quickly incorrect facts spread about the salary cap, and then become gospel www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/i ... section=E1 Quote (d) A Club may seek prior dispensation in writing to the RSCM to exceed the Aggregate Liability by a specified amount. In making a decision, the RSCM will act reasonably, taking into account one or more of the following factors: (i) the Club’s Players being unavailable through injury, absence and/or termination, (ii) the Club’s intention to promote junior players who would otherwise be prevented from playing in a Salary Cap Relevant Match, (iii) player welfare (for example, where a Club would otherwise be prevented from playing a Player in a situation that means that the Club instead selects an injured Player to play or another Player whose Salary Cap Value is low enough for the Club to remain within the Cap but who might not be ready for 1st team duties, and (iv) other circumstances considered reasonable (by the RSCM, acting reasonably). '" I also posted this on the other forum, but why let facts get in the way of a good moan

But he's played a lot at 6 and some at 1, presumably linked to being the modern 3rd pivot.
That means that he's better equipped to play 6 for the firsts than anyone who's not injured.

Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"No, no its not. Its amazing how quickly incorrect facts spread about the salary cap, and then become gospel www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/i ... section=E1 I also posted this on the other forum, but why let facts get in the way of a good moan '" That's very interesting. It seems to hint you can pay your senior players up to the full cap, then bring though as many kids as you like in the year and pay them whatever you like?

Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"No, no its not. Its amazing how quickly incorrect facts spread about the salary cap, and then become gospel www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/i ... section=E1 I also posted this on the other forum, but why let facts get in the way of a good moan '" That's very interesting. It seems to hint you can pay your senior players up to the full cap, then bring though as many kids as you like in the year and pay them whatever you like?

The key phrase is "within reason" - in our current situation, it is perfectly reasonable for us to request an exemption, should Charnock have appearance based triggers in his contract. What wouldnt be reasonable is if we tried to bring him through with no injuries, or, if a team tried to give of say £1m for the current season (which they were seeking exemption for) and then the player waiving his salary for the remaining 4 years of his contract (say).

It boils down to a case of "do the rfl think this exemption is helping a team in some way circumvent the cap or just necessary in rugby terms" - the latter is fine (and our situation with Charnock arguably)

But if charnock is being used as a 9, then that is not a problem to solve our current 7 situation.

Should be playing now , feel sorry for the kid , he prob don't no what he has do to get a game , ud think with all the injerys he be playing , how is he supost to get ready if he ant playing top level

Why? Because you reckon so? Surely to be playing he needs to impress the people who watch over and assess him every day, and know a lot more about junior development than you or I put together?

Whilst I'm pleased that we won't have to worry about Walsh on Friday, its sad that its caused by such a serious injury. He's been a real star this season and its been a real pleasure to watch him. Lets hope his recovery is a complete one and that he comes back as strong as ever.

I don't think he's ready and I don't think he will make it in super league at a top club. Just my opinion

I will trust Browns judgement that he's not ready, that fair enough. The want it now culture of saints fans is out in force though (same with Savelio)

He will go one of two ways (as with most youngsters who have a rep before making first team) - he'll either thrive and go on to superstardom or fail to live up to expectation and end up as Bradford fodder. No way for any of us to really tell which way it'll go

Nobody would be talking about Charnock if we had a proper stand off at the club and Walsh was fit, it's not like he's bee. Tipped to be a star or even stands out at u19s like the likes of Percy, Saveilio, Richards etc has.

If Brown doesn't think Charnock is ready, then he's 100% right not to pick him but regarding Andre, it seems strange he's not played more often but IMO we are being cautious due to his recent illness and injuries.

Alls I'm saying is he plays in the position wer looking for and need , a full back and 2nd rower wer using when a young lad could play maybe won't be a world class kid but should do a job , he will get experience and can only get better at what he does ,

Oh and maybe if he was in and out the team and had a chance we wouldn't be panicking who wer gonna play at 6 and 7 now

If u don't give the lad a chance how is he gonna prove his self , if it was Wigan he'd be in the team , it's all good having versatility in a player but won't help the development