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| Quote ="Albion"Given all our problems so far, none are down to his defence. He's been very strong in that department since he's come in.'"
I've not seen all your games, but he was completely lost a few times tonight and against Hudds IMO. When Moon waltzed through he had no idea what was going on and never even got close to him. As Moon changed direction he looked like he was about to stop moving and just stand there, confused. I know Moon is a good player and capable of doing that to better centres on occasion, but it was a familiar theme in Turner's Hull days. His positional play and decision making are terrible, and it was a regular sight to see him waving at his winger as the opposing centre strolled past.
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| It's a shame we didn't wait a bit longer and snapped up Moon actually, but hindsight is great. I still don't get the fuss with Turner though, I'm afraid.
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| Quote ="JonB95"It's a shame we didn't wait a bit longer and snapped up Moon actually, but hindsight is great. I still don't get the fuss with Turner though, I'm afraid.'"
But We couldnt sign moon due to quota.
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| Quote ="brook40"Quote ="JonB95"It's a shame we didn't wait a bit longer and snapped up Moon actually, but hindsight is great. I still don't get the fuss with Turner though, I'm afraid.'"
But We couldnt sign moon due to quota.'"
Good point, haha. He'd have made a hell of a difference to this team though.
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| His nickname is TURNERstyle
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| Quote ="carl_spackler" I've not seen all your games, but he was completely lost a few times tonight and against Hudds IMO.'"
Well I have seen all our games and against Widnes his defence was outstanding and stopped a certain try, at Bradford last week he was very solid defensively.
I give you the Huddersfield game, but who did play well? Even the Kitman probably had an off day.
Last night he was ok, but he was playing against Moon who is outstanding for them and I think most would have struggled against him in that sort of form.
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| Quote ="Albion"Shock horror: hull fans criticise a player who has left them.'"
Bit unfair really, Of the three players who left us Manu, Turner and Moa 99% of Hull fans didn't want Moa and Manu to leave and would readily admit they'd take them back in an instant. Turner however was with us three years and had a dozen good games and regularly came in for criticism and not just after he'd left us.
Not a natural centre IMO.
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| Cant understand this knocking of Turner
He has been far better than Shenton both in defence and in attack.
I have watched every single Saints game so far this season, and he has improved our defensive solidity in the right centre channel considerably, while at the same time offering good yardage going forward.
The times he has been exposed have been when we have had to reshuffle due to injury. For example when moving him to play on the wing against Hull, or losing Wheeler as his inside defender against Leeds.
He is no world beater, and only a fool would have thought we were signing the next Jamie Lyon. However he is a good solid player who is doing a job for us.
Some base stats to mull over.
Turner is our 6th best metre maker
Joint 3rd in terms of clean breaks.
is 9th in terms of tackles made
has a tackle completion rate of 94.5 % which is significantly higher than Michael Shenton achieved in the same position, and more on a par with Matt Gidley when he first joined Saints. Gidley being a noted defender.
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| I think everyone Being very harsh on Turner. He's not set the world on fire but he's certainly not playing as bad as suggested on here.
People forget, he's still a young lad and only 4/5 games into his saints career.
I think if we give him some half decent ball, he will make breaks. He's big, fast with good feet.
To early to right him off yet!
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| I feared for him coming up against Moon last night, and I was right to. He got ripped apart, albeit by a good centre.
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| Quote ="JonB95"It's a shame we didn't wait a bit longer and snapped up Moon actually, but hindsight is great. I still don't get the fuss with Turner though, I'm afraid.'"
We was in for moon last year. I posted it on here. We didnt have the quota spot becsuse a certain overseas wouldn't go home.
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| Quote ="St pete"We was in for moon last year. I posted it on here. We didnt have the quota spot becsuse a certain overseas wouldn't go home.'"
They should sacked him to get Moon in! He's a quality centre, scores and sets up plenty, as proven last night.
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| Quote ="St pete"We was in for moon last year. I posted it on here. We didnt have the quota spot becsuse a certain overseas wouldn't go home.'"
If he knows you want him out, will you ever see him at his best?
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| He is very poor
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Very surprised, not sure who I'd have given it to, but it wouldn't have been Turner. At a push, probably Soliola.
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Very surprised, not sure who I'd have given it to, but it wouldn't have been Turner. At a push, probably Soliola.
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| It's early days yet to get the guillotine out for him yet, but we can't say we weren't warned.
I was gutted when leeds signed Moon.
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| Quote ="St. Rughead"Very surprised, not sure who I'd have given it to, but it wouldn't have been Turner. At a push, probably Soliola.'"
Soliola stands out because of his big hair style, and occasional big run and big hit.
However defensively he is a liability having a tackle completion rate of just 88% missing 13 tackles upto the Leeds game.
Soliola moved into Centre in the grand final against Leeds when Shenton got injured and Leeds ripped us to shreds down that flank
He went Centre when Wello got injured against Hull. Guess were Hull tore us a new one.
Then when Wheeler was injured Soliola came on and filled in were Wheeler was defending. Guess were Leeds started attacking.
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| Turner looks like a good winger prospect. Is centre his best position?
He has pace which Shenton didn't have and you cannot teach that.
Let's at least gived the lad more time to see what he can do. He needs to play behind at least a pack on par to be judged first.
Why's he not kciking goals as per pre season? Would help boost his confidence.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"Soliola stands out because of his big hair style, and occasional big run and big hit.'"
There is nothing occasional about Soliola's workrate. He never stopped on Friday night. And then there is that quality that cannot be coached into a player - the ability to get the team (and crowd) going. Soliola always seems to do that. It's a valuable quality to have, especially in a team like Saints where there seems to be mostly mice.
Quote Soliola moved into Centre in the grand final against Leeds when Shenton got injured and Leeds ripped us to shreds down that flank
He went Centre when Wello got injured against Hull. Guess were Hull tore us a new one.
Then when Wheeler was injured Soliola came on and filled in were Wheeler was defending. Guess were Leeds started attacking.'"
That's why a coach with any sense won't play him twice at centre.
Maybe Nathan Brown needs a bit more sense ...?
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Last night albeit not alone he was very poor and I have yet to see any indication otherwise in other games. Moon or Turner there is only one choice yet Saints plumped for the loser.
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Last night albeit not alone he was very poor and I have yet to see any indication otherwise in other games. Moon or Turner there is only one choice yet Saints plumped for the loser.
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| Quote ="Fylde_Warrior"icon_surprised.gif Last night albeit not alone he was very poor and I have yet to see any indication otherwise in other games. Moon or Turner there is only one choice yet Saints plumped for the loser.'"
But there isnt a choice,we didnt have quota space,it was never a choice.
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| Quote ="brook40"But there isnt a choice,we didnt have quota space,it was never a choice.'"
You make room by offloading one of the deadwood quota players to Salford, Wakefield, Widnes, London or give them a one way ticket back Down Under.
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| Quote ="Fylde_Warrior"You make room by offloading one of the deadwood quota players to Salford, Wakefield, Widnes, London or give them a one way ticket back Down Under.'"
You cant just offload them,they are under contract and if they dont want to go then you cant make them,also what makes you think one of those clubs could afford or want them ?
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| I'm slightly perplexed by this reaction to Turner's performances. I think player of the month is going a bit far, but he seems to be doing alright to me.
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