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| ...to hear your opinions (sensible please!) on the comparison between Wire and Wigan and how they match up after you have seen both teams up close in the last week?
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| Wigan > Wire. IMO.
If we were playing Wigan tonight we would have been hammered out of sight by half time.
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| Wigan are far more intense in defence, but then offer less going forwards for me. It's a battle of attack v defence. In the end I'd side with Wigan as they would not have let in those first 18 points that we did.
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| But in the end it will not matter. We are going to win every game between now and end of season. Build momentum and go into the playoffs with some form. We've had no form in the last few weeks and ran the Wire close. So imagine what we could do with a run of form and for once we came away injury free.
Hurrah!!!!
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| on a dry day I'd fancy Dire's chances. On a wet day Id back Wigan due do there more conservative game and mean defence
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| For me Wigan's defense is better by a distance.
Warrington's attack and creativity is better by a distance.
Should be a cracker between the two. I just hope for a proper referee to be given the game so it's not a gang tackle, third-man-inathon crossed with a WWE style play the ball.
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| I think the try we bombed in the first half played a big part in the eventual match result....24-nil would have changed the complexion of the match...as it happened we did bomb that chance and you got some momentum back. Had we scored from that chance it might have been a lot heavier defeat for you. Credit to your guys for digging in and making a come back...your coach will be able to build on that I'm sure.
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| Huddersfield with Brough have impressed me more this season than Wigan, we blew Wigan away earlier in the season at their place and if it wasn't for a scruffy, fortunate try from Finch we would have nilled them like we have done to quite a few teams this year.
Was that just an off night for this so called superb Wigan defence ?
What you have to remember about tonight is the conditions, they were bound to fatigue players so you wouldn't expect the purest of games especially in defence where its easy to slip (like Harrison did for one of your tries) and its easier to lose your grip on wet shirts compared to dry especially with this new material they use.
I thought it was a great game given the conditions especially in that first half, you came back well and in that period where you came back you certainly played better than you did last week against Wigan.
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| Quote ="Oxford Exile"I think the try we bombed in the first half played a big part in the eventual match result....24-nil would have changed the complexion of the match...as it happened we did bomb that chance and you got some momentum back. Had we scored from that chance it might have been a lot heavier defeat for you. Credit to your guys for digging in and making a come back...your coach will be able to build on that I'm sure.'"
I thought this thread was about how WE thought you and Wigan compare not about how you did tonight... If your going to try trolling by stealth be a little more stealthy
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| Quote ="Saddened!"For me Wigan's defense is better by a distance.
Warrington's attack and creativity is better by a distance.
Should be a cracker between the two. I just hope for a proper referee to be given the game so it's not a gang tackle, third-man-inathon crossed with a WWE style play the ball.'"
I agree with most of this....but our season has mainly been built on a solid D.
I think with B Hodgson joining in the line it is akin to having three half backs..and Monas is playing very well. I think our pivot players are better than Wigans.
And as you guys well know...its all about having good pivot players.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Huddersfield with Brough have impressed me more this season than Wigan, we blew Wigan away earlier in the season at their place and if it wasn't for a scruffy, fortunate try from Finch we would have nilled them like we have done to quite a few teams this year.
Was that just an off night for this so called superb Wigan defence ?
What you have to remember about tonight is the conditions, they were bound to fatigue players so you wouldn't expect the purest of games especially in defence where its easy to slip (like Harrison did for one of your tries) and its easier to lose your grip on wet shirts compared to dry especially with this new material they use.'"
I think what you are forgetting is how much that WCC took out of Wigan. We'll see later in the season how it pans out.
The Challenge Cup game Wire v Wigan will also have a big say on how the eventual league leaders finish.
ps don't discount Catalan or Huddersfield.
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"I thought this thread was about how WE thought you and Wigan compare not about how you did tonight... If your going to try trolling by stealth be a little more stealthy'"
no troll intended mate! I'm just answering someones point about how Wigan would have blown you away tonight.....they might have....but so might we if we had scored that chance....things can change a game...we had all the momentum up until that bombed chance...the momentum suddenly changed in your favour and you were good enough to fully capitalize on it...full credit to Saints for that.
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| Another thing about Wigan this year, they have probably been the most fortunate out of the top 4 with injuries.
I know they have Fielden out and they had Richards out at the start of the season but how many key playmakers have they lost this year ? Their test will come if they lose either Tomkins or Leuluai for any length of time, the times ive watched them it seems to be those 2 above that have a big say in their results.
Saints have been crippled with injuries as everyone knows, both Warrington and Leeds have had a lot of injuries as well this year and to key players as well.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I think what you are forgetting is how much that WCC took out of Wigan. We'll see later in the season how it pans out.
The Challenge Cup game Wire v Wigan will also have a big say on how the eventual league leaders finish.
ps don't discount Catalan or Huddersfield.'"
Huddersfield are very good team...they certainly have bragging rights over us....but the loss of Brough will hurt them against the top teams. Catalans are very good...but lack depth in their squad IMO....both will be in the mix come the play-off that's for sure.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Another thing about Wigan this year, they have probably been the most fortunate out of the top 4 with injuries.
I know they have Fielden out and they had Richards out at the start of the season but how many key playmakers have they lost this year ? Their test will come if they lose either Tomkins or Leuluai for any length of time, the times ive watched them it seems to be those 2 above that have a big say in their results.
Saints have been crippled with injuries as everyone knows, both Warrington and Leeds have had a lot of injuries as well this year and to key players as well.'"
Which "key" players have Wire missed?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Which "key" players have Wire missed?'"
Joel Monaghan
Matt King
Louis Anderson
Ben Harrison
Richie Myler
all had stints on the sidelines..all would be first choice players
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Which "key" players have Wire missed?'"
Myler and King were both out for lengthy periods, Joel Monaghan has also now been missing for around a month, we have also had Louis Anderson out with a lengthy injury as well, Ben Harrison only returned from injury tonight after being out for a while. We have had several other players that have missed around 2-3 weeks with injuries.
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| Quote ="Oxford Exile"Joel Monaghan
Matt King
Louis Anderson
Ben Harrison
Richie Myler
all had stints on the sidelines..all would be first choice players'"
So have Hansen, O'Carroll, Finch, Fielden, Roberts.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"So have Hansen, O'Carroll, Finch, Fielden, Roberts.'"
Sorry Rogues but your scraping the barrel there, most of that lot are comical for one reason or another, good effort though. Finch is and has always been an overrated player, Wigan fans were crying out for Roberts to be dropped after his poor form, who exactly is O'Carroll going to replace in the Wigan starting line up ? Hansen is nothing more than a plodder and you can hardly calll him a key player thats been missing through injury.
Lets see how they would get on if they lost either Tomkins or Leuluai for over a month, lets hope it doesn't happen as you wouldn't wish injury on any player plus you want to see the best players on the pitch.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Sorry Rogues but your scraping the barrel there, most of that lot are comical for one reason or another, good effort though. Finch is and has always been an overrated player, Wigan fans were crying out for Roberts to be dropped after his poor form, who exactly is O'Carroll going to replace in the Wigan starting line up ? Hansen is nothing more than a plodder and you can hardly calll him a key player thats been missing through injury.
Lets see how they would get on if they lost either Tomkins or Leuluai for over a month, lets hope it doesn't happen as you wouldn't wish injury on any player plus you want to see the best players on the pitch.'"
You've both been remarkably lucky on the injury front. Both teams would struggle with 12 out like we've had at times or with ALL their halfbacks and backup halfbacks out at the same time. Warrington wouldn't have won that tonight without Briers and Myler.
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| Quote ="Saddened!" Warrington wouldn't have won that tonight without Briers and Myler.'"
Thats rubbish and you know it, we'd of had a half back pairing of Jon Clarke and Chris Bridge teasing and taunting you. You'd have been chasing exhaust fumes into the distance.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Thats rubbish and you know it, we'd of had a half back pairing of Jon Clarke and Chris Bridge teasing and taunting you. You'd have been chasing exhaust fumes into the distance.'"
Jon Clarke on his would do it.
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| For the good of the game, I hope Warrington get the better of Wigan. Watching Wigan grappling their way to success is turgid, at least Warrington are entertaining. I think Warrington are better suited to winning at wembley on a hot dry track and Wigan at OT in the damp, much like saints and Leeds before.
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| I agree, Wigan seem to be far less expansive than they were last season, perhaps they have been found out so their defence is having to win them more games this season. Have they been found out? I hope they can find the attack of last season, because when I did see it it was a pleasure to watch.
Warrington seem to be doing exactly what Wigan were last season, coupling the attack and defence, but other teams are a lot closer. Tonight did show that Warrington can be beaten although they weren't.
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| After seeing both teams back to back, I would definitely fancy Wigan when the 2 teams meet.
Wigan completely snuffed our attack out around the ruck which is the area where we made most of our ground and meaningful attacks from last night.
If Hock & Fielden come back into any kind of form Wigan will have a very strong pack going into the back end of the season.
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