So all the so called loyal Leeds fans idolise McDermott I ask the question that if we accept the past is in the past and when we had great players who won the treble for Leeds by pure self drive. Then how come Chris Chester with a whole host of good club players but no real international superstars can motive them to win 8 out 9 games but McDermott with half a team of current, Ex or future internationals appears to be unable to motive himself to give an honest interview to sky let alone direct the team to a win.

Drum roll

Roll out the buffoon who shows a photo of all 3 trophies and claims McDermott won on his own blaming it on injuries and no training facility

This should be funny!

McDermott deserves great credit for all he achieved over the previous 5 seasons.His time is at an end though, its just a matter of when in the coming weeks/months GH decides to remove him.

Chester seems to have been a breath of fresh air for Wakey who have got that beautiful thing going called 'momentum' and are riding the crest of a wave, good luck to them. It won't last imo, and i think even the most ardent Wakey fan would agree on paper they aren't top 8 material but it looks like they will make it which is a great achievement and they should enjoy it while they can.

If Wakey and Chester are still punching above their weight the rest of the season and into next then we can have a comparison but for now he is still in the new coach effect and honeymoon period.In truth the coach who should be compared with McDermott for turning rags to riches over a good period of time is Daryl Powell, Cas don't just win they play some great rugby at times too.

But Wakey keep winning...and Leeds keep losing. That's the bottom line. "On paper" means sodd all really.

If you looked at last nights Leeds team and that was at the start of year, before knowing what we know, how many Wakey or for that matter Huddersfield players would anyone ha e gladly put ahead in the Leeds team? The injury thing is just an excuse. The fact a coach can't get a team of players to play to their potential is far more the situation.

Of course but the question was comparing a guy who has been at a club for over 5 years and won every trophy going and another who has been at a club for 9 games, there can be no comparison imo.

How did Chester get on first part of the year at Hull KR?

If you are going to make comparisons you have to look at both sides of the story. Chester was sacked early in the season ironically after a defeat by Wakefield. He has had a remarkable run of success at Wakefield with a team that Smith did some good ground work. But look at the other side of the coin. HKR after sacking Chester appointed a new coach and lost 4 out of the next 5 games and are only three points above us.

Do you think there maybe some regrets over at HKR just now?

Then look at Hudderfield who like Leeds had an appalling injury list. They stuck with their coach and now their injured players are returning they look to have regained some confidence and are a totally different side. The same will happen with Leeds if we can get back the first team.

Honeymoon period?.....9 out of last 10 games won? On paper they are top 8 material and were massively under performing under Brian Smith. Johnstone, Jowitt, BJB, Hall, Tupou, England,Miller, Finn would all easily get into the Leeds team...If injuries are kept to a minimum they will be in the top 8 end of season comfortably.

You are right though try and get Daryl Powell for next season...a lot better coach!

Do you mean currently? because yes with the injuries and poor form they probably would all get in, but were we to have a full squad to choose from i personally wouldn't take any thanks.

That's one conclusion. But I do not share your view of the superior quality in the Leeds squad. The other night Castleford put us to the sword and many said the side we put out should have won. I think this is an arrogant point of view as in Junior Moors, Solomona, Gale, Millington and Dorn they have players that are way better than our equivalent position players. You could make a good case out for McMeeken too.

IMO we did not recruit nearly well enough after losing Sinfield, JP & Kylie last year and we are now lacking some class and few if any game changers. Other senior players were also past their best some time ago and others were overrated playing in a winning side so with our main leaders gone their shortcomings are now exposed. For many years our academy has not produced players of sufficient quality and so there was nobody good enough to demand a first team spot when injuries and poor form affected the regulars with the result that we do not have enough strength in depth.

IMO there is a serious lack of class in the whole of SL with senior players looking jaded and few classy young players stepping up to take the strain. So rather than leveling up we have been levelling down. We urgently need to refresh our squad and add some pace in the back row and we need a proven game manager and leader at half back.

I do think the current side will transform performances when the missing return but perhaps having a season of failure will be the catalyst we need to recruit the necessary quality.

"others were overrated"....plural? I can guess one you might be referring to



Man of paper (Golding) or man of cardboard (Watkins) much better at FB than any man of steel in your opinion eh!?

Actually you mostly speak a lot of sense here

Chester is feeling the benefits if 'new coach syndrome' where every motivational speech he gives is new to the players ears
After a few more months the effect of these will wear off and so will his teams performances, as chester doesnt seem to be the best tacticakky minded coach
For reference (and as we have just been to Newcastle) look at any team Alan Pardew has ever managed, and how they fall away after the first 12 months

Chester has given the players belief in their ability and appears to be a better man manager than his predecessor. They also have better attacking structures and defensively are a lot stronger.

In a few more months when you say the Chester effect will wear off the season will be over (8 SL games left!) and Wakefield Trinity will be 6th and Leeds Rhinos will be bottom fighting for their SL survival.

But then what happens next year? And the year after that, and after that and after that.

You have fallen in to the trap a lot of leeds fans have fallen into and forgotten that you build a house to last for decades, not for months.

Yes, but we are currently in the process of demolishing a mansion to build a bungalow.

are we? or are we down in the mud building some foundations?

We're in something brown, but it's not mud.

It was arguably Hull KR's excellent Challenge Cup run which kept Chester in that job in 2015. Their top eight target was missed and this time around they acted early and decisively - Chester himself had predicted his own demise when he said he was surprised to be only second favourite for the chop at Hull KR's pre season media event.

Your 1 from 5 includes the two games Willie Poching was in charge of before Webster's appointment - Webster's Hull KR won 2 from his first 5 including their biggest win V Leeds at Headingley both in terms of points scored and margin of victory not only in my lifetime but also in your lifetime, indeed it was Hull KR's highest score and biggest margin at Headingley ....... EVER.

Including today's defeat Webster is now 4 wins from 10 Regular Rounds as Hull KR coach while Leeds are 2 wins from the same. If you think Hull KR's record since changing coaches is not that great (and compared to Wakefield's I agree it's not) it's still 100% better than that achieved by Leeds who are sticking with theirs. If you class 4 from 10 as poor what does that make 2 from 10?



That would be the hope but on the evidence of McGuire and Cuthbertson's recent return it is not exactly pointing to an improvement in results or performances yet. Eight games remaining to make the eight and not too many expected back within a month apparently. Perhaps it's also because the Huddersfield owner and CEO have been pro-active in bringing in some new faces in Ryan Brierley and Sebastine Ikahihifo and/or Anderson is able to get more out of his squad. Huddersfield were very good today but they've been there or therabouts for the past month or so (wins V Warrington, Leeds X2, unlucky at Wigan and Les Catalans) Leeds by comparison have yet to put in two consecutive performances where at least one - if not both - didn't stink the place out.

All good things come to an end....time for a change and I think that will have to start with your coach and then some dead wood within your playing rosta.

As for Smokey Ta comments. I've fallen for no trap Trinity haven't won anything but they are at least competitive and playing entertaining rugby that's all I ask for as low expectations will take significant time to be changed.

I'd take Johnstone at Wigan next season in a heartbeat.

yes no denying he is a cracking player but we still have Hall and Briscoe who i still think are a great combo.

You already have a top winger in Manfredi and wouldn't be surprised to see Burgess re join in the not too distant future.

What point are you trying to make here? Leeds being cack this year and gifting KR a win that was nicely wrapped with a bow on top doesn't change the fact that KR have been poor even after changing coaches. Whilst at Wakefield, Chris Chester has got a poor/average side on paper playing extremely well. They must be questioning whether they made the right decision or not over there in East Yorkshire.

I don't think you will pal - we very much feel we are, please try not to patronise us your hardly in a position to do so.

That would be why Wakefield have nailed down on 2+ year contract virtually every player under 25. We are building and have been for a while just didn't expect to be this far along so soon. We have not fallen into any trap as far as I can see.

The only player we have who is currently a vital cog ho is coming to the end of his career is Finn who will need replacing - the rest are either reaching their relative peak or heading that way.

This nonsense about who has the better players amuses me. Surely the best players around are those who are playing well - you can tell me all day that Watkins is better than Arundel, but Arundel is playing his heart out whilst Watkins has lost his and may never get it back - you're as good as your last game no matter how much alleged potential you have.

Not very good tbh, but to be fair to him at the time they had more injuries than Leeds.