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What was the context etc??

Her eyesight must still be 20/20 then.

I admire your loyalty DHM, and I don't doubt your feelings on this.

But the post is a bit silly on the back of the respective performances last night. Buderus was quite simply the best player on the park by a mile. Diskin on the other hand would have been rated one of the worst. The contrast in how Leeds played yesterday was huge. McClennan could quite easily have lost that game from the jaws of victory just by leaving Buderus on the bench too long. Had he not come on when he did, we would have definately lost that match.

I see Bluey is moaning this morning about how slow the ruck was and it ruined the game. Well actually Buderus had no problem what so ever and was controlling that area with ease. When Diskin came on it was just painfull to watch, so slow and cumbersome i struggled to stay awake.

Her hubby played for Bradshaw CC who had just beat us in the cup, one of the forfeits involved running across the field wearing a jock strap. i set off at 200 miles an hour and my tackle fell out.

My embarrassment was complete when the first person i made eye contact with on the way back into the pavilion was Christa Ackroyd who asked me if it was "getting a little cold outside".

LOL!!!

The old small-cock gag - classy bird.

Ironic that it'll have been a warm summer's evening then.

It was cold numb nuts!!

You'd bring a tear to a glass eye Heron. No really!

There is a time for nostalgia in the World, but sadly out on a rugby league pitch is not the place for it.
If there was any merit in your reasoning, we'd all be cheering on Bobby Charlton and co this summmer instead of giving Rooney his chance.

Disco has had an excellent career, and his place in Leeds folklore is assured, but even the most anal of fans, realise that every sportsman has only a limited shelf life before the next generation takes over.

And the bull$h1t is still flowing I see.

Get a grip

It is not Bulls41t but simple fact

Danny is a class above matt and then some, yes matt has played his heart out for the club and i respect that but he is nowhere near as good as danny at the moment. Players and teams should always be picked on form, and at the moment danny should be playing 80 mins and matt shouldn't be in the team.

Some people need to eat humble pie, some people doubted Buderus, bloody unbelievable, I'll give you a tip, enjoy his whilst he is here because if we have just Diskin in the side you might just realise how comparing a Lada to a Ferrari is a not too clever.

As I said earlier on this thread there is no substitute for class - Buderus is class

Seems the Brains Trust on here think they're better coaches than a guy who has won the Grand Final in each season he's been here and upset all the odds for New Zealand to win the Tri-Nations and works with Buderus and Diskin on a daily basis.

Still, what does Bluey know? He's just sentimental.

Possible the coach knows what works best but it is the effect on other prominent players that prevents him making the correct decision - serious decisions are seldom one dimensional

Buderus is on a different planet to Diskin

Not when it comes to grand final winners rings

I agree Diskin should be dropped and Buderus should play the full game. The problem we've got is that neither hooker is an impact player and we look a miles better side when Buderus is on. Diskin is being brought on for the sake of it when we dont need him and then we look a worse side when he's on. Bluey needs to grow some balls and do the right thing by dropping Disko. When he came on last night he gave Wakey some impact, his first run from DH he knocked on and then his first tackle he gave a penalty away. He has been a legend for us but he's way past his best and his best was still behind Buderus now. He's slow anyway but then he makes things even slower by coming out of DH with the ball and then passing or going one side of the ruck and passing the other, he needs to just pass straight away when he picks the ball up in one movement but he doesn't. I hope we release him and give Buderus a new 2 year deal. I know alot of people will disagree because of there loyalties to Disko but releasing him would be the best thing for us. He cant even make a poor England side and the likes of Higham, Clarke etc have been ahead of him in the pecking order.

That's like saying "not when it comes to NRL premiership rings and Dally M medals" if someone was saying Diskin is on another planet.
Think about the future not the past. We all want the best for the future of the side and keeping Diskin because he's won 4 GF's is stupid. Buderus is way better in every part of the game.

Quote ="LS14 RHINO"I agree Diskin should be dropped and Buderus should play the full game. The problem we've got is that neither hooker is an impact player and we look a miles better side when Buderus is on. Diskin is being brought on for the sake of it when we dont need him and then we look a worse side when he's on. Bluey needs to grow some balls and do the right thing by dropping Disko. When he came on last night he gave Wakey some impact, his first run from DH he knocked on and then his first tackle he gave a penalty away. He has been a legend for us but he's way past his best and his best was still behind Buderus now. He's slow anyway but then he makes things even slower by coming out of DH with the ball and then passing or going one side of the ruck and passing the other, he needs to just pass straight away when he picks the ball up in one movement but he doesn't. I hope we release him and give Buderus a new 2 year deal. I know alot of people will disagree because of there loyalties to Disko but releasing him would be the best thing for us. He cant even make a poor England side and the likes of Higham, Clarke etc have been ahead of him in the pecking order.'"

Well said that man. As I have mentioned elsewhere McClennan's insistence of bringing on Diskin at the expense of Buderus is going to bite us in the proverbial ass one day and lose us an important match. We've been close a couple of times now.

What you say is correct. Diskin just bloody slows things down and loses our momentum.

Quote ="Puig-Aubert"Seems the Brains Trust on here think they're better coaches than a guy who has won the Grand Final in each season he's been here and upset all the odds for New Zealand to win the Tri-Nations and works with Buderus and Diskin on a daily basis.

Still, what does Bluey know? He's just sentimental.'"

Come on...remove the blinkers. Convince me or others of what Diskin offers over Buderus on the field of play with regards to their respective PRESENT (without mentioning GF rings and past glories) ...ranges of skills.

As Serge mentions elsewhere McClennan probably has player politics to contend with...what's your excuse ??

I think both players have their pros and cons. I strongly disagree with the fact the game is slowed down when Diskin is on the pitch. He has much more pace than Buderus (I realise pace isn't really that necessary for a hooker but it helps). Diskin is an extremely clever player. How many times have we seen him pick the ball up nd run straight at an offside player for the penalty? On the other hand I think Buderus is much better in the defensive line, easily making more tackles than Diskin.

Long story short - Buderus is better on defence, Diskin better on attack. That's the reason I think Bluey has both in the squad. If things go wrong for us in the game he has this option. If we need to gain a bit of momentum stick Diskin on. If we need to slow it down then Buderus. This is purely my opinion. I don't expect many people to agree with it

You have quite clearly never seen both players play for Leeds. You have a completely insane view on it.

If anything Diskins best quality is defence. Buderus on the other hand is quite superb in attack, and yes Buderus is absolutely miles faster than Diskin.

David might well have a point with regards to selection decisions being based upon more than on field performances. Its an important part of team selection and man management, with a team being more than a sum of it's parts. Unfortunately, I don't think you (and possibly David though not so certain on that) really understand that.

As for on pitch performances, statistically there is little to pick between the players, though I believe they are different types of player anyway. Diskin is far more likely to run from dummy half and/or, draw defenders and offload. Buderus is more likely to put in a crisper pass direct from the ruck.

I don't have to convince you of the merits of Diskin over Buderus. Neither I, nor you, select the team. Only one of us would want to change the current team.

Personally, I'm happy to see both in the 17. It seems our highly successful coach shares that view.

What is interesting to ponder is why he might think that way when such luminaries as yourself don't.

Leaving aside David's suggestion that completely replacing Diskin with an ageing antipodean former superstar might have a detrimental effect on team morale what else might there be?

Danny Buderus will be 33 next birthday. Not that many players in the top flight at that age (and interetsingly people are suggesting he's offered a new 2 year contract). Maybe, just maybe, he'd be incapable of playing 80 minutes week in week out?

Maybe, just maybe, he'd not be able to play at current standards if he was asked to play more than 40 minutes a game? That Diskin spelling him is what allows him to play well in short bursts?

Maybe the coach believes that Diskin offers the versatility of operating in the backrow for short periods, spelling other players rather than just Buderus.

Or maybe, the experienced and successful coach sees the two players' performances rather differently to armchair coaches?