I thought aside from those three major mistakes, Chase had a good game. However, it's those significant moments that attract the attention (it's what everyone is talking about for Hall for example, rather than his genaral play work) and had a signifcant impact.

I'd stick with Chase, but make an earlier change to Widdop working with Sinfield, then Chase into hooker later in the 2nd half.

I just think Chase is no World Beater and shouldn't be replacing British Talent that could do the same if not a better job.

Couldnt say it better, think if lomax hadn't got injured. The very average chase would be the one taking his spot

Is the Australian resident and NRL player Widdop more Britush and more of a world beater than SL MOS and Castleford resident Chase?

In a Word.......Yes

Yes he is more British - neither are world beaters though.

Personally i have not been that impressed with Heighington. Seems to get dominated too often. No better than others in the squad.

I thought Chase had a decent first half apart from the "kick". He made good yards and exposed holes in the Aussie marker defence well. I think if we hadn't lost Ellis and Graham (something that seems to have been overlooked as a contributing factor to the loss) then he might have come off second half.
If he's smart enough he will have learned a lot from the big game experience, which in all fairness he doesn't have. I would personaly start with him on the bench and see how Widdop and Sinfield combine from the off. Then bring him on to add some spark from dummy half as you suggest.
Heighington I would drop for Ablett (unless Ellis is out next week and then he has to stay unfortunately). Not impressed at all with him.

Until I heard Widdop interviewed I would have said no. But having heard his voice he is without doubt a lad from Halifax living in Australia, not an Australian claiming Halifax roots.

As for world beating, I think getting the jersey in his day job is harder than getting it for his country. He's got better players around him at work so is used differently.

Chase should be dropped (he should have been before this game) as he has not regained his early season form. He looks to be trying too hard and was too often playing for himself and not the team. He continued to make mistakes which yesterday were crucial and did not form a link with anyone.

As previously stated I would play McGuire at 7 to restore the proven and successful link with Sinfield at 6 where he should stay for the whole game, and Widdop should replace the pedestrian Yeaman at centre

People sometimes overlook the need for established patnerships, and just look at the quality of the individual, even though Chase is no better than McGuire IMO.

This Familiarity is especially important in the halves where they need to know what each other is going to do. It is apparent Kev and chase do not have this.

I think it is also a reason Hall is on the right, to keep the Hull Yeaman Briscoe partnership together

Nice attempt, but not quite good enough to distract us from the obvious - by far the most ineffective back for England was your own (Hull FC's) Yeaman.
Sinfield created Hall's first spectacular try with a brilliant pass and could have had two further assists very early on had the finishing been more clinical.

I didn't think Chase was 'terrible', but he was certainly not good.

I thought Tomkins, Hall and to a lesser extent Reed were outstanding. The rest (including the forwards) had decent but not extraordinary games.

Hall and Tomkins were the only two who excelled for me, everyone else was average or worse our pack is poor their flat footedness will be exposed next week by a very fast NZ team.

What break up the magic, fruit bearing, duo?

Regarding the briscoe try, wasn't a double movement but was a forward pass from yeaman for me

Was sat in the corner Briscoe was defending at Wembley in the first half so had a close-up view of how the Yeaman-Briscoe partnership worked. Basically it relies on Briscoe constantly making allowances for and covering where Yeaman's supposed to be, as well as defending his own position. I thought Briscoe did outstandingly well, but Yeaman was a liability. Would have Atkins or Hardaker in front of him in an instant, but in the circumstances would go for Widdop in the centres, or even Ablett if we're benching Chase and playing Widdop inside.

Tomkins was superb but still have doubts about him as a full-back rather than a half, and he should have stopped the Luke Lewis try (look what Billy Slater did to Westwood for comparison). Hall, Briscoe, Reed and Roby were all in the tick column. Ellis was the best forward on the pitch while he was on. Our main go-forward tactic was "give it to Gaz Ellis", twice a set.

Without injuries to him and Graham we'd propably have won, but it's also not beyond possibility that an RL forward will get injured and it did expose our light bench and McNamara not going with four props when a knackered Morley and an outgunned Heighington were our front-rowers while Australia scored most of their points.

rangi chase should be on the bench for the NZ game - at best !

One of the problems is that Chase despite his MOS award does not have the intense big match experience of either the SL playoffs, Cup Final or NRL State of origin. For much of the time he looks lost at this level and to keep him in when there are alternatives will be a mistake IMO

What's people's thoughts on a bit of a reshuffle. Sinfield back to 13, McGuire in at 7 with Widdop at 6. Definitely need the fourth prop, highlighted by the injuries. To lose Graham and Ellis, plus have JP hobbling around for a while was bad luck. Wilkin hmmmmmm not in my 17, same for Chase.

I feel desperately sorry for him.He has won awards during a campaign when Castleford were considered a one man team when he played,but the pressure grew at the climax to the season.
The penalty kick defeat to Leeds in the Challenge Cup semi-final - after reports of his pending court case.He then travels back to Australia and the subsequent publicity and the dredging up of his childhood/upbringing.
Returns to England and there is the brouhaha when he is selected to represent England - where he will be living to complete the 4 years of his contract with Castleford.
Emotional stress and the pressure of gelling with a new half-back partner in a high-pressure situation.
Not easy.He hardly received comforting words from his new coach post-match on Saturday.
How will he react should he not be selected against New Zealand ? How will he perform if he is selected ? Will he try too hard and make errors ?
I certainly think he will have a loss of form in 2012.

As I've said on other threads, aside from a couple of errors which need to be cut out, I thought Chase looked a threat with Sinfield at 6 controlling and structuring things. He looked lost with Widdop at 6 after he came on. I'd stick with Sinfield and Chase for next time. I think they're a good mix of a controlling, reliable pivot at 6 and an exciting, off the cuff playmaker at 7.

Heighington came with big write-ups from down under, but I haven't been impressed so far. He has a lot to prove for me, otherwise I may continue to believe that he was selected purely because it says "plays every week in NRL" on his CV. Probably our least effective forward in 2 matches so far.

I honestly think that Leeds on a good day would make a better fist of beating Australia than England. Wire, Sts and Wigan fans may feel the same about their teams. This suggests that the players cannot adapt easily to playing alongside others with whom they're unfamiliar - and the less orthodox the player, the greater the difficulties facing their team-mates. This is why Chase at 7 cannot work for me.

He does look a threat at times, granted, but as a line breaker rather than a link player. And certainly not often enough to win a test on his own.

Off the cuff is right but he plays too much one-man stuff and, at this level, gets caught in possession too much to be considered a playmaker.

Same could be said of McGuire though

Agreed - and when a player does the one-man stuff all the time they become very predictable.