Fair point mate and could be to a certain extent but i honestly think age has caught the big fella to a degree.
I also think with a fully fit squad he would'nt of played as many games this year either so that may also have something to do with it.

A lot of his play, including his break for McGuire's try was very much infield. A sign of things to come?

Would Diskin have achieved the same result with the same 'service' ? (Is there any area where Diskin offers any advantage over Buderus in the field of play ?)

Maybe so mate he has been tipped to move to the backrow for a while although Bluey has said he's a Centre 1st and foremost.
Only time will tell and hopefully he'll kick on from last weeks performance and maintain it for the run in.

Was Kevin Sinfield also being OTT after he described Buderus' performance as fantastic?

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While analysing Senior's contribution I'd be interested to hear what poster thought of his work for the Cunningham try?

Rather than a thread debating Buderus' influence there ought to be a thread on what a top game Danny McGuire had. He was a clear MoM. Having said that...

Buderus played very well. I think the point which G1 is trying to make - again - is not that Buderus isn't a better player than Diskin. Or that he didn't play very well on the weekend. It's the amount of praise heaped on Buderus compared to others.

Someobody with selective amnesia has suggested that Buderus can play with a higher 'intensity' than Diskin. As yet that case is not anywhere near proven. One good performance in a CC semi-final vs 4 GF wins including crucial tries in 2 very tight games. Hmm.

I'd also like to have the temerity to suggest that the CC semi was a poor quality game from both sides. Exciting but poor. Nowhere near the intensity in defence of any of the last 3 GFs with far too many howlers from both sides.

The 'amount of praise' for Buderus is a possible understandable reaction to the (at least) equal past vitriol directed at the same player from certain prominent "knowledgeable" posters on here owing to his temerity to actually challenge Diskin for the starting no.9 role. How dare he !!!



I agree about McGuire: he looked the best have seen him all season (and he has already had a pretty damn good season)

Senior was brilliant. Your MOM I reckon.

Good to see your coming round to my line of thinking.

I thought that at the game but having watched it back a few times since I think Senior pushed him really, really close.

Cheers brisbane. It's not a difficult point to grasp. I guess they way Buderus' fanboys leap to his defence (not that i am attacking HIM) and quickly turn the attack on Diskin simply continues to prove my point.



It's a typical over reaction to a player many of our fans have fallen head over heels for.

Quite. Diskin was certainly not afforded the space Buderus was in any of his excellent GF displays.

No. It was, particularly in defence.

Cunningham has been doing that for a dozen years. Very hard to stop. I wouldn't be too critical of a defender beaten in those circumstances.

G1 you really would make a good politician with your clever 'double-speak' and selective economy with the truth....Diskin has been a great player for the club (and still might be) ... but will you now admit Buderus was a most definite worthwhile investment by the club ? yes or no ?

Personally I reckon Leeds would have completely cleaned up if they had some quality supporting Jamie Peacock. A second quality prop would have made you an incredible team as no team in SL has that these days.

Ian Kirke

And you will have to admit that your previous suggestion that we should dump Diskin in favour of a Buderus/McShane combo was complete cobblers.

You're still on my ignore list having behaved like a tool a month or so back but as you've been quoted and asked me a direct question I'll remove you from said list and give you the privilege of discourse with me. You may be enlightened. You're on thin ice mind so be warned.

Anyway, to answer your question no. Why was he a "most definite worthwhile investment"? Are you saying we wouldn't have attained 5th place in the league and reached (but not won yet) a CC final without him? If so, let me remind you we have done much better without him.

He's a good player, no doubt but he's been an expensive luxury. The money and the quota spot might've been better used elsewhere within the squad but he's here and he's playing well so I shall enjoy that. But I shall still give a reasoned perspective upon his performances, comparative to his team mates and opposition, unlike others on here.

Well apart from the 20+ test matches and 20+ SOO games he hasn't no.

Thats all in the past anyway. I'm basing my opinion on form so far this season. Buderus just seems sharper. His passing is crisper, he hits harder in defense, moves quicker around the pitch. And has that extra bit of class that Diskin has lacked this season.

That doesn't mean Diskin isn't a class player and isn't still a vital part of the team, a match fit Diskin would be an asset to any team.

Well we've won nothing yet, so its impossible to answer

BrisbaneRhin

What you are looking at are mistakes, and no specific examples of them. Every player makes errors, but they don't necessarily define his game.

He looked dangerous every time he had the ball, he made so many half breaks, and was stopped by an ankle tap at least twice when through the first challenge. As probably 3rd choice kicker in the leeds side I would question why he was kicking rather than the quality of the kicks.

As supercilious as ever !




the simple answer would have been "yes"....but I will forgive you



I would indeed suggest we would be in a worse position ....it's a team game but without Buderus' contribution this season both on attack and defence the team's steady decline from its halcyon days would be more pronounced ...all speculation of course either way.

Let me add I do not in anyway suggest the club's glory days are definitely over just yet nor do I suggest I do not appreciate the efforts over the recent years of all the team players ...but inevitably time catches up with us all.

The beauty of this regime is that to date they have largely got things right ....i believe the signing of Mr Buderus was a masterstroke in keeping this team competitive that little bit longer.

The blame for that try would be

1= Burrow 45%
1= Clarkson 45%
2 Senior 6%
3 Hall 4%

In all honesty, beyond aiming to knock the ball out and giving away a penalty or throwing themselves on the floor to stop the grounding (at the risk of injury) there was sod all either Hall or Senior could do to stop that try. The error was that neither Clarkson or Burrow surrended for a ball and all tackle and positioned themselves between the ground and the ball.

Credit when its due. My beef is with your most feared rubbish.

Here we go again.