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| Who is the one running it who will be in trouble here? They have openly admitted that a six figure offer was on the table for Bateman, and have indicated that offers were made for one or two others.
That been the case they could have paid a large portion of debt before getting to this point, but chose to keep hold of the players.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Possibly, though I'm led to believe he won't be signing for any other SL club.'"
yeah i read last week he was hinting at going down under, cant really blame him with his brothers there
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| Elima, Kopczak, Whitehead plus bringing back Amor from Wakey would do nicely.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Who should Leeds be in for, if any?
Kear, Kopczak, Elima, Whitehead, Bateman, Hargreaves?
Phil Joseph?'"
really? :S
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| Whitehead and Kopzcak.
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| Quote ="Him"Elima, Kopczak, Whitehead plus bringing back Amor from Wakey would do nicely.'"
If we sign poop like Elima, then bang goes my season ticket. We already have an average backrow, and one of them the same type of player in Hauraki. Hauraki is poor but better than Elima, and already has a contract to be paid.
To be honest you can keep Kopczak and Whitehead too.
If we make signings it needs to be improvements to what we have, or a long term plan improvement. I can't see what the Bulls offer that would fall under that criteria. Cheap doesn't make it worthwhile.
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| Garry needs to write a cheque for £20,000 in exchange for some players, though not sure they have 7 that he would want
Bulls fans must be sick that they've effectively been conned by the club they support.
Such is life
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| Id have to disagree re Elima, I think he provides far more aggression both in attack and defence than anyone currently in our second row.
Kopczak is currently better than any of our young props, and I'd suggest Whitehead & Elima provide more than Clarkson, Kirke or Hauraki.
I believe you have been calling for changes to the squad for a while, who else that is available would you like us to sign?
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| Quote ="Him"Id have to disagree re Elima, I think he provides far more aggression both in attack and defence than anyone currently in our second row.
Kopczak is currently better than any of our young props, and I'd suggest Whitehead & Elima provide more than Clarkson, Kirke or Hauraki.
I believe you have been calling for changes to the squad for a while, who else that is available would you like us to sign?'"
Elima will be back at Catalan apparently.
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| Quote ="Him"Elima, Kopczak, Whitehead plus bringing back Amor from Wakey would do nicely.'"
I'd agree.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Who is the one running it who will be in trouble here? They have openly admitted that a six figure offer was on the table for Bateman, and have indicated that offers were made for one or two others.
That been the case they could have paid a large portion of debt before getting to this point, but chose to keep hold of the players.'"
Problem being the players themselves have to agree to personal terms on any new deal.. Both bateman and whitehead were desperate to stay at their home town club.
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| Quote ="Him"I believe you have been calling for changes to the squad for a while, who else that is available would you like us to sign?'"
Yes, calling for squad changes. Not desperate signings. Players like Elima belong at the likes of Bulls, Cas, Wakefield, Salford, London. Not at a team with aspirations to challenge for trophies.
I want changes that will allow us to repeat what we have done for the last 8 years, not take us back to pre that era. Our own youngsters are better than the likes of Whitehead and Kopczak, and our senior players are miles ahead of the likes of Elima.
If I was to take anyone from that side that we are likely to get it would be Scruton, under the proviso that he can prove his fitness. Still the right age to take one of those prop positions.
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| Wouldn't want any of them IF we can promote from within and sign better elsewhere.
I would take Bateman but he's not worth the ££££££ been bandied about imo and possibly Manakafoa on a short term deal to test his worth.
As for Whithead he's no better than Delaney ,Jjb and Ablett imo and nowhere near as good as Ward will be.
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| Quote ="Him"Id have to disagree re Elima, I think he provides far more aggression both in attack and defence than anyone currently in our second row.
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More than a little hard on JJB. I like Elima but I'd want 3 of him in exchange for JJB.
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| Elima is OOC end of season anyway, and is a good, yard-making, offloading second row. More impactful than Clarkson, Kirke & Hauraki and less than Moore. Would be a good signing.
Whitehead & Kopczak are two of the best young forwards in the game. You may have noticed that they bossed our current pack in the game we lost at Odsal. Bateman, probably the best young LF in the game right now. If we can get him, we should, but I reckon he's probably off to wire.
I'd also be tempted to look at Keith Lulia in the centres, Heath L'Estrange at Hooker (or a certain Mr M Diskin, esq.) and Gale/Sammut in the halves. Bulls have had a good squad this year, but as usual, Potter can't get the best out of them.
We also have to face the long-term reality. Which is that though we have a good core of young players in Hardaker, Jones-Bishop, Hall, Watkins, Ward, McShane, Ablett & Delaney, and some medium-age players in Jones-Buchanan, Griffin, Bailey, McGuire & Burrow, we are soon to lose some top players (Peacock, Leuluai, Sinfield) and have some players (Kirke, Moore, Smith, Hauraki, maybe Clarkson, maybe Lunt) who haven't produced at the top level, and whose positions should be under consideration.
Personally, I think if we adopted a 1 in, 1 our policy, then
Lulia for Smith
Elima for Kirke
Kopczak for Moore
Whitehead for Hauraki
Diskin for Lunt
Bateman for Clarkson
would be a very good bit of business imo.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Yes, calling for squad changes. Not desperate signings. Players like Elima belong at the likes of Bulls, Cas, Wakefield, Salford, London. Not at a team with aspirations to challenge for trophies.
I want changes that will allow us to repeat what we have done for the last 8 years, not take us back to pre that era. Our own youngsters are better than the likes of Whitehead and Kopczak, and our senior players are miles ahead of the likes of Elima.
If I was to take anyone from that side that we are likely to get it would be Scruton, under the proviso that he can prove his fitness. Still the right age to take one of those prop positions.'"
I've changed my mind....I agree with you Personal terms would have to be agreed with each and if that jeopardised keeping some of our own young forwards I would be against it.
Think I might previosuly have been getting a little over excited, although I do like the agression (which we are lacking) of Elima. Scruton too I agree [icould[/i complement the return of Amor, which [ushould[/u be a certainty.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Yes, calling for squad changes. Not desperate signings. Players like Elima belong at the likes of Bulls, Cas, Wakefield, Salford, London. Not at a team with aspirations to challenge for trophies.
I want changes that will allow us to repeat what we have done for the last 8 years, not take us back to pre that era. Our own youngsters are better than the likes of Whitehead and Kopczak, and our senior players are miles ahead of the likes of Elima.
If I was to take anyone from that side that we are likely to get it would be Scruton, under the proviso that he can prove his fitness. Still the right age to take one of those prop positions.'"
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| Quote ="Tyke's/Rhinos No. 1 Fan"Bulls have had a good squad this year, but as usual, Potter can't get the best out of them. '"
Are you for real?
I would have Potter down as coach of the year at the moment. He is doing an absolutely fantastic job at that club. That squad is a mix of poor and average, and most expectations was that it would be battling the likes of Cas and Salford to challenge Hull KR for 8th Spot.
Despite the financial problems, and the massive injury problems they have had to contend with, Potter is still managing to win games and keep them challenging.
I wouldn't have backed another coach to repeat what he is doing this year with the issues he has had, and that squad.
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| Oh, and can we refrain from picking over the carcass until it at least stops twitching? I'd rather see the Bulls survive than see us cherry pick their players.
Just saying.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Are you for real?
I would have Potter down as coach of the year at the moment. He is doing an absolutely fantastic job at that club. That squad is a mix of poor and average, and most expectations was that it would be battling the likes of Cas and Salford to challenge Hull KR for 8th Spot.
Despite the financial problems, and the massive injury problems they have had to contend with, Potter is still managing to win games and keep them challenging.
I wouldn't have backed another coach to repeat what he is doing this year with the issues he has had, and that squad.'"
Not sure about coach of the year, but pretty much this.
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| Quote ="Tyke's/Rhinos No. 1 Fan"Elima is OOC end of season anyway, and is a good, yard-making, offloading second row. More impactful than Clarkson, Kirke & Hauraki and less poop than Moore. Would be a good signing.
Whitehead & Kopczak are two of the best young forwards in the game. You may have noticed that they bossed our current pack in the game we lost at Odsal. Bateman, probably the best young LF in the game right now. If we can get him, we should, but I reckon he's probably off to wire.
I'd also be tempted to look at Keith Lulia in the centres, Heath L'Estrange at Hooker (or a certain Mr M Diskin, esq.) and Gale/Sammut in the halves. Bulls have had a good squad this year, but as usual, Potter can't get the best out of them.
We also have to face the long-term reality. Which is that though we have a good core of young players in Hardaker, Jones-Bishop, Hall, Watkins, Ward, McShane, Ablett & Delaney, and some medium-age players in Jones-Buchanan, Griffin, Bailey, McGuire & Burrow, we are soon to lose some top players (Peacock, Leuluai, Sinfield) and have some players (Kirke, Moore, Smith, Hauraki, maybe Clarkson, maybe Lunt) who haven't produced at the top level, and whose positions should be under consideration.
Personally, I think if we adopted a 1 in, 1 our policy, then
Lulia for Smith
Elima for Kirke
Kopczak for Moore
Whitehead for Hauraki
Diskin for Lunt
Bateman for Clarkson
would be a very good bit of business imo.'"
Completely disagree about Kopczak and Whitehead especialy as the former is biscuit boned and both are very inconsistent and nowhere near 2 of the best young forwards around.
Also your like for like list is totally wrong in that they aren't that at all look at their respective pecking orders squad wise then do the rellevant SC maths!!
As for Sammut a poor mans Burrow and Luke Gale thanks Schoey but no thanks.
Every spot you've identified on that like for like list(which isn't like for like) can be taken by a current U20 at a cost much less than the lot you've muted to be signed.
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Yes we need to start giving MORE penalties away.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Oh, and can we refrain from picking over the carcass until it at least stops twitching? I'd rather see the Bulls survive than see us cherry pick their players.
Just saying.'"
I'm sure the London Broncos share your sentiment!!
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Oh, and can we refrain from picking over the carcass until it at least stops twitching? I'd rather see the Bulls survive than see us cherry pick their players.
Just saying.'"
You need to man-up El D.
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