Not all players said this though!!

Yes it is (a sad indictment).

None of us know Murray or Smith personally. We shouldn't form our opinions on their public personality. We should form them on their results.

So you have ably demonstrated my point. I "liked" Smith much more because he delivered what i had craved for so long. Most of our fan base "liked" Murray because he said the right things and smiled at the right time.

A sad indictment of an ill informed fan base many of whom are reared upon, and accept mediocrity.

Which players made public comments that they didn't like Smith and do you have any quotes?

Yeah. They said, "I didn't like Tony Smith."

I aint putting their names on here though.

'Mediocrity'? Won us our first major trophy in 21 years and got us pretty damned close to winning the first Grand final. Not mediocre in my book.

On results, I think he stand comparison with most coaches. On charisma, he beats most.

he stands comparison with most Leeds coaches, yes. But thin about what preceded him.

Like I said, its' a sad indictment that most of our fans judge a coach on their [iperceived[/i charisma. I don't.

'Perceived'? People found him charismatic. Charisma is all a matter of perception. You seem to be suggesting they were wrong to do so.

And his two years were a tremendous success. That may also be why some people like him.

What appaling team selection was that David?

FWIW I agree he made an error but I suspect we have differing views on what error that was.

I didn't go to Leeds at exactly the same time as T-Boy. He brought me in about 2 weeks later. I was brought in for team moral purposes.

I know of two who say he is a c***.

Graham Murray PL 65 ..... Won 48 Drawn 1 Lost 16 ..... Pts For 1852 Pts Agst 1122 ..... (28 - 17) ... 75%

Tony Smith PL 134 ..... Won 98 Drawn 3 Lost 33 ..... Pts For 4561 Pts Agst 2338 .. (34 - 17) ..... 74%

Brian McClennan PL 40 ..... Won 31 Drawn 0 Lost 9 ..... Pts For 1144 Pts Agst 631 ... (29 - 16) ..... 78%

Do you own/work for OptaIndex whatever it's called?

I think you're ace me.

I am not a number I am a free man.

You're not too bad yourself.

Murray , delivered the 1st major trophy in 20 years (not counting john player or yorkshire cups )

Smith won the 1st championship in even longer.

basing popularity or whether someone should be more popular on the strength of their medals is a very thin premise.

On that basis are jamie mathiou & andy hay better than all the players preceding who didn't win medals?

Murray & McClennan deal with winning & losing in different ways to smith in the public eye.

Powell had little popularity when in charge but was perhaps one 2 pointer in a challenge cup final away from still being in charge...

I like your name. It's my favourite sound.

Gedouttahere. Daaaaaymn jive turkey!

Which people and how well did they know him?

If Smith is less Charismatic in a public arena should he be less liked, despite achieving more success than someone more outgoing?

Frankly, I couldn't care if he was a personality-less, foul mouthed, obnoxious bigot. I am not being invited to his dinner parties, nor Murray. I am an avid fan of the team he is being paid to coach.

As I said, I accept more Leeds fans liked Murray. I'll accept that is because he may have been more like-able. That doesn't alter my statement that its' a sad indictment of our fans.

They were. They were far less successful than Smith's four years.

It remains a sad indictment that people like him more than Smith.

Oh David, just stop making yourself look more, & more stupid

I just knew YOU would reply to Tony Smith FFS.

Why, oh why can you just not take the fact that Tony Smith made you look a complete & utter TW^T ??



A few facts Davy boy - Tony Smith, as Coach, was the most successful Leeds Coach EVER. The Players thought he was superb. The fans, except you to$$er, thought he was great too.

SO get lost David

Get a life, move on & "support" someone else. Get a hobby maybe

PS learn how to spell !!!!

i don't think they do hari, only really gareth and danny who stuck up for him on here!

Not all players said otherwise also - especially when they were collecting trophies & counting their pay packets !!

Some people are just jealous of success - they have never tasted it like us at the Bulls

Quite right. The "fans" were calling for Smith's head just a month or so before he brought an unprecedented 2nd title as Leeds coach.

Because you know sweet FA baby - go on, name someone IF you are so clever

Why don't you like tony smith ER????????????

Appreciate that he won the big matches with Leeds, but I saw them lose plenty with him in charge. The Warrington home playoff match springs to mind as embarassing.

I dont like him. I never liked him. Whether that makes me a Leeds fekwit according to gareth, I dont care. Cant stick the bloke.*

[size=59*Tony Smith that is, not Gareth. Gareth is alright!![/size

Never said that they did!!!