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| Interesting to see what IMG will introduce.. suspect they'll propose to scrap P & R straight away.
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| Fwiw I thought the million pound game was quite a spectacle!
Unfortunately relegation is part of most UK team sports.
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| Quote ="Shabino"Fwiw I thought the million pound game was quite a spectacle!
Unfortunately relegation is part of most UK team sports.'"
The difference is that rugby league can't sustain it and it doesn't help to grow the game for a multitude of reasons. It doesn't matter what other sports do RL must do what best achieves it's growth.
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| Quote ="Seth"The difference is that rugby league can't sustain it and it doesn't help to grow the game for a multitude of reasons. It doesn't matter what other sports do RL must do what best achieves it's growth.'"
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| Quote ="Trebor1"absolutely spot on Seth.
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| Quote ="Seth"The difference is that rugby league can't sustain it and it doesn't help to grow the game for a multitude of reasons. It doesn't matter what other sports do RL must do what best achieves it's growth.'"
100% this. I hate the whole P and R is engrained in English sport argument. It isn’t, it’s engrained in football. A sport that for a multitude of reasons rugby league shouldn’t be trying to copy in a number of different ways.
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| Looks like Austin and thompson have either resigned with us or have contracts elsewhere they’re not on the lost of OOC players tht the rfl release
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| Well you’d have to hope….
Austin has at least tried, Thompson is a waste of a OQ spot and always was.
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| Quote ="Seth"The difference is that rugby league can't sustain it and it doesn't help to grow the game for a multitude of reasons. It doesn't matter what other sports do RL must do what best achieves it's growth.'"
We did try the whole franchise thing for a long time too….
Crusaders were franchise!
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| Quote ="Shabino"We did try the whole franchise thing for a long time too….
Crusaders were franchise!'"
They were fast tracked too quickly in the desperation for expansion
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| Quote ="christopher"Looks like Austin and thompson have either resigned with us or have contracts elsewhere they’re not on the lost of OOC players tht the rfl release'"
Austin has really tried hard this year, and Thompson is a steady Eddie (at best) but if we are going to go forward we can't waste quota spots. Surely they have found opportunities elsewhere.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"Austin has really tried hard this year, and Thompson is a steady Eddie (at best) but if we are going to go forward we can't waste quota spots. Surely they have found opportunities elsewhere.'"
I reckon weve retained Austin
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| Quote ="christopher"Looks like Austin and thompson have either resigned with us or have contracts elsewhere they’re not on the lost of OOC players tht the rfl release'" I hope we haven't resigned Thompson ffs
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| Quote ="christopher"I reckon weve retained Austin'"
Assuming that's right and we retain Martin, but wave a fond farewell to Bodene. That leaves just one quota spot. Really gonna have to nail that one and come up with a couple of excellent quality British players. Tough ask.
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| Another year for Austin could just indicate they don’t think Sinfield is far away and may only need another year under his belt? If that’s the case he’s tried hard enough for that not to bother me too much.
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| I'd be ok with another year of Austin but no thanks to Thompson. If Prior does retire then between them that's two quota spots which should be sufficient to do some decent business.
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| Just to add to the previous comments on P&R I think if we are serious about growth then no P&R and also a lower number of foreign players allowed. What we want is teams with a majority of players who have come via their own academy or from a UK academy.
I would much rather have 2-3 foreign players but they be better quality if possible.
Another major issue is the NRL clubs signing young players from the UK, we simply cannot compete in terms of money or lifestyle so it becomes difficult. However that is another reason to scrap P&R and let teams build foundations over 4-5 years.
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| Academy produced players should be exempt from the cap.
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| Quote ="Seth"Academy produced players should be exempt from the cap.'"
I agree 100% Seth
As the salary cap in SL is still relatively low and that it also hasn't probably even kept up with inflation rates over the years either.
I think that this could be a very positive way for all SL clubs to produce home grown players moving forward as they would then be rewarded for their input and player development that they had put in.
Rather than SL clubs relying on picking up talented young kids that had been trained from a young age but who have been released from a club that regularly produces a large number of juniors each year despite not being able to retain them all
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| Quote ="Seth"Academy produced players should be exempt from the cap.'"
Imagine that..
Jack Walker, Harry Newman, Liam Sutcliffe, Ash Handley, Mikolaj Oledzki, Cameron Smith, Tom Holroyd, Sam Walters, Jack Broadbent, Jarrod O’Connor, Corey Johnson, Muizz Mustapha, Max Simpson, Liam Tindall, Levi Edwards, Oli Field, Jack Sinfield, Zak Hardaker.
You’d probably question why Jarrod O’Connor, Sam Walters and Zak Hardaker are on the list, because of the age they signed for Leeds, they are classed as club trained.
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| You can't exempt all Academy players. You could give a discount against the cap though (e.g. max of their salary or 50k/player). You also shouldn't count the likes of Hardaker under any system. If not developed by the club as a junior they shouldn't count at all.
Even if you were to introduce this you'd also need to start from scratch - no giving the likes of Leeds and Wigan an immediate free kick.
I'd also exclude exemptions until players progress - e.g. 50 games. You don't want clubs stockpiling kids just because they developed them if they're not going to get a game, and this should be about quality not just quantity.
I think you'd also need to introduce catchments. Its not fair to the likes of Cas/Wakey if Leeds cherry-pick kids from their area and count them as their own (or Warrington from everywhere). How would you treat clubs with virtually no natural catchment (e.g. Salford)?
We all need to be developing more players, but while there are lots of ideas the devil's in the detail.
One other idea I like is the father-son rule they have in AFL. If a kid's dad played more than 100 games for a club, they get first pick in the draft. We don't have a draft so I'd just have a cap deduction. It would hurt us today, but I like the idea - recognises history which is something our sport is not good at.
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| ...on a separate topic I see Wire have moved to correct their prop shortage, with one this year and two next. Wonder if we'll see similar activity once Smith gets a feel for the squad?
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| Quote ="Once were Loiners"...on a separate topic I see Wire have moved to correct their prop shortage, with one this year and two next. Wonder if we'll see similar activity once Smith gets a feel for the squad?'" It is to be hoped so don't think there is a Leeds supporter who dosen't think the front row needs strengthening.
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| I know. It really beggars belief that we've got a million backrowers and so few genuine props, most of whom are on the smaller side. Only Holroyd is a genuinely big guy. Agar and his bloody 'middles'.....
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| Quote ="Once were Loiners"I know. It really beggars belief that we've got a million backrowers and so few genuine props, most of whom are on the smaller side. Only Holroyd is a genuinely big guy. Agar and his bloody 'middles'.....'"
Agar's recruitment has gone badly overall imo.
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