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| Silverwood was awful.
Holding down and offsides gone unpunished.
Numerous dodgy calls on knock-ons/ball steals that go against refs guidelines.
No yellow for the off the ball hit.
And then the red card.
He was giving play on. And then somebody must have had a word in his ear. He didn't see that hit and nor did his touch judges. Otherwise they'd have been on the pitch giving him a direct report.
So he's sent a player off based on a report from the video ref.
If this is the case, why isn't every incident looked at by the video ref in TV games? There would never be a need for an on-report in a TV game.
We, as a sport, have to get some consistency in refereeing decisions/interpretations and in how referees utilise the resources available to them.
If he can check with the video ref for that incident, he can check other controversial calls.
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| Quote ="Him"Silverwood was awful.
Holding down and offsides gone unpunished.
Numerous dodgy calls on knock-ons/ball steals that go against refs guidelines.
No yellow for the off the ball hit.
And then the red card.
He was giving play on. And then somebody must have had a word in his ear. He didn't see that hit and nor did his touch judges. Otherwise they'd have been on the pitch giving him a direct report.
So he's sent a player off based on a report from the video ref.
If this is the case, why isn't every incident looked at by the video ref in TV games? There would never be a need for an on-report in a TV game.
We, as a sport, have to get some consistency in refereeing decisions/interpretations and in how referees utilise the resources available to them.
If he can check with the video ref for that incident, he can check other controversial calls.'"
Exactly.
As I stated elsewhere the officiating is a bluddy lottery depending it seems on a whim of an individual on any given day
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| A poor performance all round from MR Silverwood not helped by Saint Steve Ganson as the video ref and two inept linesmen who see jack . The sending off was the game breaker and we did brilliant to hold on for so long, the final decision kinda typified his whole game when with 40 plus seconds left he gives Saints head and feed when Aiton gets the ball smashed at him with his back turned. The constant lying on and the latitude he gave Saints with the offside rule was ridiculous, if I didn't know any better I would think he had money on an away win
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| Silverwood awarded 13 penalties in the 1st half and about 2 in the second - did someone have a word at half-time?
Probably did for Leeds' chances to add any further points as kicking penalty goals is about all that is on offer when McGuire's under-rated passing game and Burrow's individual darts are missing from the team sheet.
For once Briscoe appeared the most enthusiastic of the Leeds back three with Hardaker particularly lethargic.
As for the sending off - why shouldn't the video referee/s make a contribution to the decision. Percival appeared concussed and took no further part in the game so something had happened whether Silverwood or the touch judges had seen the incident clearly or not. I imagine Silverwood asked for the assistance.
What is McDermott quoted as saying: "I only saw it a couple of times in the throes of the game so I'm not 100 percent sure but =#FF0000it didn't look like he made contact with the head and, if he hasn't, then it's a big call, a wrong call in my opinion."
Presumably he'll see it as a correct call once he's had time to review it then.
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| Did anyone else think the second try was dubious because the tackled player moved off his mark? He took a step to his left, and because the markers stayed where they were, it meant Roby could jump out of dummy half and attack the line.
Anyway, shocking performance by Silverwood. He ruined, and let Saints ruin, what should have been a good game. Compare it to Bentham last week. Seems like Silverwood always want to be the main man out there. I'm disappointed for the 15 players and 2 unused subs
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| Quote ="tvoc"Silverwood awarded 13 penalties in the 1st half and about 2 in the second - did someone have a word at half-time?
Probably did for Leeds' chances to add any further points as kicking penalty goals is about all that is on offer when McGuire's under-rated passing game and Burrow's individual darts are missing from the team sheet.
For once Briscoe appeared the most enthusiastic of the Leeds back three with Hardaker particularly lethargic.
As for the sending off - why shouldn't the video referee/s make a contribution to the decision. Percival appeared concussed and took no further part in the game so something had happened whether Silverwood or the touch judges had seen the incident clearly or not. I imagine Silverwood asked for the assistance.
What is McDermott quoted as saying: "I only saw it a couple of times in the throes of the game so I'm not 100 percent sure but =#FF0000it didn't look like he made contact with the head and, if he hasn't, then it's a big call, a wrong call in my opinion."
Presumably he'll see it as a correct call once he's had time to review it then.'"
because they arent allowed/never have before nor will they again. just typical RFL lottery with the refs. i would love to see the VR assist the ref, be fantastic, however in ANY other game thats a leeds scrum. instead its a saints pen and leeds down a man using ruls never used before or again =/
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| Silverwood was appalling. Was never a sending off. Games getting soft.
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| Quote ="southern_rhino"because they arent allowed/never have before nor will they again. just typical RFL lottery with the refs. i would love to see the VR assist the ref, be fantastic, however in ANY other game thats a leeds scrum. instead its a saints pen and leeds down a man using ruls never used before or again =/'"
Seem to remember there was an incident last year when the VR was used in the similar circumstance and a red card shown and also a game this year when a player was left on the deck clearly hurt by something. In that case it was a genuine accident and no blame attached to an opposition player.
But I agree about would like to see it more. It seems they only do it if the player stays on the ground injured, had Aiton said down then perhaps he'd look at the Soliola incident again (or maybe not). This was the same ref from the 2012 GF who didn't ask the VR's opinion when Sinfield was sparked out by Monaghan head when hit after the kick.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I agree it's technically a penalty when they throw the pass after grounding it like that, but when a player is having his ass hauled out over the sideline, when have you ever seen them use that rule?'"
So, you're quite happy with the rules being applied literally for the shoulder charge (and I don't disagree with you on that) but suddenly for another incident, there should be some form of mitigation? Priceless.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Silverwood awarded 13 penalties in the 1st half and about 2 in the second - did someone have a word at half-time?
Probably did for Leeds' chances to add any further points as kicking penalty goals is about all that is on offer when McGuire's under-rated passing game and Burrow's individual darts are missing from the team sheet.
For once Briscoe appeared the most enthusiastic of the Leeds back three with Hardaker particularly lethargic.
As for the sending off - why shouldn't the video referee/s make a contribution to the decision. Percival appeared concussed and took no further part in the game so something had happened whether Silverwood or the touch judges had seen the incident clearly or not. I imagine Silverwood asked for the assistance.
What is McDermott quoted as saying: "I only saw it a couple of times in the throes of the game so I'm not 100 percent sure but =#FF0000it didn't look like he made contact with the head and, if he hasn't, then it's a big call, a wrong call in my opinion."
Presumably he'll see it as a correct call once he's had time to review it then.'"
Why the veiled criticism? According to those in the know, losing a third rate Aussie play maker is enough of a reason to bemoan your lack of attacking edge these days, let alone two of the best half backs to come out of these shores in a generation. I'd like to see any other side in the league step out with a nineteen year old stand off and play so well.
What is the relevance of McDermott's comments when he was in Wenger land? If he didn't see it, he can only speculate, which he did and qualified his statement as such. I'm not his biggest fan but you seem to have an obsession.
As for Hardaker, if you think that was lethargic, I can only speculate that you mainline speed. I think what you are confused by the role he was playing and the role he normally plays.
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| I have no problem with the Red Card or how they got to that decision what I do question is consistency replays showed a number of bad calls yet nowt from the VR booth?
I don't buy the "foul play or where injury has occurred" excuse either a p!$$ poor call is the same irrespective of incident.
Also how was Soliola not sin binned?
We saw in the GF Westwood smash Greens cheek in =On Report! Same Ref as well so why not Red?
The Officials are not regulated or brought to task for poor performances its very much a "we watch our own backs" set up which is ridiculous if we want to strive for improvement sport wide!
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| I've not watched the game back yet but does anyone else think that Baileys effort at the try line was worth a second look?
At the match it looked as if Bails may have just got the ball on the line.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"I've not watched the game back yet but does anyone else think that Baileys effort at the try line was worth a second look?
At the match it looked as if Bails may have just got the ball on the line.'"
It wasn't a try.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"I've not watched the game back yet but does anyone else think that Baileys effort at the try line was worth a second look?
At the match it looked as if Bails may have just got the ball on the line.'"
Nah he was short mate!
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Nah he was short mate!'"
Ok mate, he just look like he got pretty close from where we were stood.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"Ok mate, he just look like he got pretty close from where we were stood.'"
Close but no cigar!
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| Quote ="Bang"Silverwood was appalling. Was never a sending off. Games getting soft.'"
Why did you lot boo off Percival as he left the field with concussion.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I agree it's technically a penalty when they throw the pass after grounding it like that, but when a player is having his ass hauled out over the sideline, when have you ever seen them use that rule?'"
Nor should it be, IMO. If the tackle is complete, the tacklers should stop dragging him. If he can be dragged, he can get rid of the ball for me.
There was no malice in the Moon challenge, but the rules are clear and they say red card.
I couldn't decide whether Soliola was committed. Probably could have pulled out, but tough one for the ref.
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| Think you are getting mixed up with booing and mooning .
The game changer sending off apart was the ridiculous penalty given away by Briscoe
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| A shoulder charge to the head is a red card. You can't have any complaints at all about that. Ref was spot on. Even your coach knew he was off as before he'd even got the card out he shot down to the bench to sort the team out.
Anyway, I think you played a lot better after that and you looked well up for it. We also had to then play a prop forward at centre which you only took real advantage of once for your try.
As for holding down etc, I thought we just managed the ruck to how the ref wanted it played. Silverwood doesn't like a quick ruck and we played to that.
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Think you are getting mixed up with booing and mooning .
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No - It's on Vine and all the South Stand can quite clearly be seen to say "Boo" and not "Moon".
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| Quote ="ryano"No - It's on Vine and all the South Stand can quite clearly be seen to say "Boo" and not "Moon".
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I've watched the video of this several times and being an armchair lip-reading expert, it is obvious that Hardaker quite clearly boos when Percival gets sent off, then shows his arris and calls him a f**king sausage jockey.
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| Well i was mooning not booing although those around me were not impressed
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| Quote ="Albion"Anyway, I think you played a lot better after that and you looked well up for it. We also had to then play a prop forward at centre which you only took real advantage of once for your try.
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Having only seen the last 30mins of the game I thought it was a spirited performance from Leeds with 12 men - showed the sort of spirit and attitude which should, hopefully, set us up nicely for the playoffs.
As for not taking advantage of LMS playing centre...we were missing a centre ourselves
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| Quote ="Albion"A shoulder charge to the head is a red card. You can't have any complaints at all about that. Ref was spot on. Even your coach knew he was off as before he'd even got the card out he shot down to the bench to sort the team out.
Anyway, I think you played a lot better after that and you looked well up for it. We also had to then play a prop forward at centre which you only took real advantage of once for your try.
As for holding down etc, I thought we just managed the ruck to how the ref wanted it played. Silverwood doesn't like a quick ruck and we played to that.'"
Fair assessment. Felt we ran out of gas a little in the closing stages but pleased with the application we showed. Thought Silverwood's control of the ruck was fairly poor throughout but even then I'm not sure that a quick ptb would have favoured a 12 man Leeds side with no Burrow.
In fairness to Silverwood, a fair bit of ball was lost by both sides which always results in a high number of 50/50 calls. This tends to compound the odd, genuine howler by the ref, regardless of who it is.
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