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| If Leeds win on Thursday with Garbutt, Ward, Ablett, Ferres, Galloway, JJB, Peacock & Sinfield all missing does that mean Mac's actually a good coach and this current team are the "real deal" or will it be that Cas weren't trying or had an off night?
Be good to know in advance.
Cheers.
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| I'd think it would be a very pleasant surprise. Although being "without" Sinfield and Peacock is probably stretching it a bit don't you think? You may as well say we are also missing John Holmes, Lewis Jones, Arthur Clues and Eric Harris.
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| Quote ="loiner81"If Leeds win on Thursday with Garbutt, Ward, Ablett, Ferres, Galloway, JJB, Peacock & Sinfield all missing does that mean Mac's actually a good coach and this current team are the "real deal" or will it be that Cas weren't trying or had an off night?
Be good to know in advance.
Cheers.'"
He isn't a good coach, far from it. But a win would certainly be deserving of praise, even if players weren't missing. That is exactly what people are craving for, challenging the top teams. To not is the problem. I still have a sneaky feeling Cas will be over confident anyway.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He isn't a good coach, far from it.'"
Sorry, what is your Super League coaching record like?
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| Quote ="LeedsDave"Sorry, what is your Super League coaching record like?'"
Non existent, what's your point?
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"I'd think it would be a very pleasant surprise. Although being "without" Sinfield and Peacock is probably stretching it a bit don't you think? You may as well say we are also missing John Holmes, Lewis Jones, Arthur Clues and Eric Harris.'"
I think the point Loiner is trying to make is that many of McDermotts big victories have been cited on here as done through the leadership of those two players down the years and not his coaching ability.
For the record, i would be quite shocked if we come away with anything other than a 20 point plus loss tomorrow.hopefully will be proved wrong.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He isn't a good coach, far from it. But a win would certainly be deserving of praise, even if players weren't missing. That is exactly what people are craving for, challenging the top teams. To not is the problem. I still have a sneaky feeling Cas will be over confident anyway.'"
So an early season away win against Cas would be deserving of praise would it?
What would winning 3 Grand Finals, 2 Challenge Cups, a World Club Challenge and a treble be deserving of?
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"I think the point Loiner is trying to make is that many of McDermotts big victories have been cited on here as done through the leadership of those two players down the years and not his coaching ability. '"
Yep, as we're just about to hear again.
Quote ="Biff Tannen"
For the record, i would be quite shocked if we come away with anything other than a 20 point plus loss tomorrow.hopefully will be proved wrong.'"
Thursday depends on who's injured. If the afore mentioned players are all missing then it's going to be a very tough night. If they all, or at least some of them, make it then I think we can win.
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| If JJB and ward are not 100% they should not play
Last year we play player that was not 100% and end up losing them in the game We can still name a good team
1.Ashton Golding
2. Tom Briscoe
3. Kallum Watkins
4. Joel Moon
5. Ryan Hall
6. Danny McGuire
7. Rob Burrow
16. Brad Singleton
9. Mat Parcell
20. Anthony Mullally
18. Jimmy Keinhorst
21. Josh Walters
10. Adam Cuthbertson
14. Liam Sutcliffe
15. Brett Delaney
23. Jack Ormondroyd
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| Not getting a result at Cas at this stage of the season will not be the end of the world.
In games like this it should be all about performance. Even with a weaker pack, Leeds should look to avoid capitulation in the manner of some of last season's games, at least if they wish to prove a point on having turned a corner.
The key performance areas for me are a) defensive effort and b) game management. If these are looked after I'll be happy irrespective of the result. Have more doubts on b) though!
Looking forward to it.
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| Quote ="time will tell"If JJB and ward are not 100% they should not play
Last year we play player that was not 100% and end up losing them in the game We can still name a good team
1.Ashton Golding
2. Tom Briscoe
3. Kallum Watkins
4. Joel Moon
5. Ryan Hall
6. Danny McGuire
7. Rob Burrow
16. Brad Singleton
9. Mat Parcell
20. Anthony Mullally
18. Jimmy Keinhorst
21. Josh Walters
10. Adam Cuthbertson
14. Liam Sutcliffe
15. Brett Delaney
23. Jack Ormondroyd
24. Jordan Baldwinson'"
Good threequarters, but the rest has to be the weakest Rhinos team in many a year.
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| Seems to be a lot of players getting recurring injuries over the last 18 months, are we becoming the Arsenal of RL?
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| Just for anyone who intends to pay in at tomorrows game - 9200 tickets sold so far, which leaves just over 2000 available. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see an announcement by Cas late Thursday afternoon that the match is sold out. Perhaps best for any of you travelling over to buy in advance.
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| I think I would go with:
Golding
Briscoe Watkins Moon Hall
McGuire Burrow
Singleton Parcell Cuthbertson
Delaney Keinhorst
Sutcliffe
Baldwinson Ormonroyd Mullally Handley
Likely forgotten someone. I think Handley provides better cover than Walters.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Yep, as we're just about to hear again.
Thursday depends on who's injured. If the afore mentioned players are all missing then it's going to be a very tough night. If they all, or at least some of them, make it then I think we can win.'"
So you at saying the victories were down to McDermott's coaching ability? If so would you saying 2016 reflected his coaching ability too?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"So you at saying the victories were down to McDermott's coaching ability? If so would you saying 2016 reflected his coaching ability too?'"
Could also draw comparisons from LUFC circa 1991/92 and 1992/93 and more recently Leicester 2015/2016 and 2016/2017 with messrs Wilkinson and Ranieri.
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| Quote ="time will tell"
16. Brad Singleton
9. Mat Parcell
20. Anthony Mullally
18. Jimmy Keinhorst
21. Josh Walters
10. Adam Cuthbertson
15. Brett Delaney
23. Jack Ormondroyd
24. Jordan Baldwinson'"
That pack though.
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| so five mins for Baldwinson and Ormondroyd, 60+for Delaney?
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| Quote ="DGM"That pack though.
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Time for Singleton to stand up and performed like a senior prop. chance for Mullaly, Ormanroyd, Baldwinson, to show they can make it and are not just project players. Walters to show he is good enough for Super League full stop. This could be a career defining game for these players.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"So you at saying the victories were down to McDermott's coaching ability? If so would you saying 2016 reflected his coaching ability too?'"
Yes, the whole club had a terrible year for many reasons. It happens.
More importantly, are you saying that him steering the club to a record number of trophies somehow doesn't reflect his coaching ability?
You're not saying that are you? You can't be. Aside from Gotcha and our resident Alex Jones there's no one else on here that's that silly, surely.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Yes, the whole club had a terrible year for many reasons. It happens.
More importantly, are you saying that him steering the club to a record number of trophies somehow doesn't reflect his coaching ability?
You're not saying that are you? You can't be. Aside from Gotcha and our resident Alex Jones there's no one else on here that's that silly, surely.'"
I am not saying anything all I am trying to clarify is your view point?
My point on McDermott steering the club to a number of trophies is: he inherited the core of a side that had won the GF in 2007/8/9 even you have to accept he inherited a winning culture and key personnel?
What he did proved to be good at was devising specific game plans for specific games.
Surely coaching as about development of players and on that score I am not convinced he is a good coach. The lack of talent coming through the academy and the general lack of improvement in younger players would question his coaching ability.
Can anyone honestly say the attacking structure of the team suggests coaching of a high quality?
At the end of the day will McDermott leave the club in a better or worse position than he inherited? That is very unlikely to be the case
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| Hi guys, I posted a few weeks back asking about ticket availability. I live just outside Edinburgh and am heading to York tomorrow for a long weekend, and I realised I could kill 2 birds with a stone.
I get there 4-5pm, so I really want to go to the Cas game, but havent had the chance to get a ticket, so is there a cash gate, or some other way of being able to get in if I just turn up at the ground.
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| Quote ="Daftie"Hi guys, I posted a few weeks back asking about ticket availability. I live just outside Edinburgh and am heading to York tomorrow for a long weekend, and I realised I could kill 2 birds with a stone.
I get there 4-5pm, so I really want to go to the Cas game, but havent had the chance to get a ticket, so is there a cash gate, or some other way of being able to get in if I just turn up at the ground.'"
I'd seriously consider buying a ticket over the phone to collect at the ground as our Country cousins are somewhat lacking when it comes to a big crowd.
My mate got turned away last year as he expected to pay on the gate only to be told he was unable to do so.
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| Quote ="time will tell"If JJB and ward are not 100% they should not play
Last year we play player that was not 100% and end up losing them in the game We can still name a good team
1.Ashton Golding
2. Tom Briscoe
3. Kallum Watkins
4. Joel Moon
5. Ryan Hall
6. Danny McGuire
7. Rob Burrow
16. Brad Singleton
9. Mat Parcell
20. Anthony Mullally
18. Jimmy Keinhorst
21. Josh Walters
10. Adam Cuthbertson
14. Liam Sutcliffe
15. Brett Delaney
23. Jack Ormondroyd
24. Jordan Baldwinson'"
You've named two players in that squad that haven't been included in the 19. However I do agree they should play, but won't.
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| Thanks N S F. When you say phone and book a ticket. Are you talking phone Cas or Leeds to book. If I phone Cas will I not be in their end, or would they sell away tickets too.
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