Did you have your eyes shut? I as looking particularly at tries, metres, and errors. But to be fair, he did play 3 games less last season. Which makes the errors even more of a difference.



Did you have your eyes shut again, when the kicks were been put up to him. Forget the passes, it was the kicks that was the tactic. Demonstrated once again on Friday night.

I've acknowledged that going simply on the stats he was better in 2006 than 2009, but your assertion that he was far better is way off the mark. He was better in some areas and worse in others.


Do you just reply without reading peoples posts?
Yes the kicks are an issue, but when Ryan Hall was on the right wing he struggled with kicks as well, due to reason #2 that I gave in my previous post. Senior gives his winger great protection in defence both when the opposition have ball in hand and from kicks.
Which side of the field did we have to move Senior to in the 2008 Grand Final, and which side of the field was Scott Donald on in that Final?


How many kicks were made to our right hand side on Friday night? Or is it just the one they scored from that you remember?

Erm yes, thats what HHT tackle did above and what you have been able to do since the website had its revamp ages ago. You can also buy things on ebay now.

What has this got to do with Diskin?

You missed the bit off your quote, where I said I was particularly looking at Tries, Metres, and Errors. There is a huge difference in all 3. I actually gave a bit of leeway by the fact I said he played 3 games less last season, which will account for some of the metres, and to be fair maybe a try. But if using the less games then the errors is an even bigger concern. And is the very reason why I have changed my view from good winger to average. The errors in the most are inexcusable, and stick in the mind big time.

So if his stats improve again you'll upgrade him to good once more?

Good reply.

Answer no. Mind made up, I would rather give an academy prospect an opportunity.

Doesn't mean I wont give positive view if he puts in good game and I expect a few this year with Delaney inside him, but bridges burnt for future contract for me.

What did you think of Ryan Hall last year?

You do know he made the same amount of errors as Scott Donald don't you?

You think 1 error per game from Donald is inexcusable?

What about kevin Sinfield? 1 error per game from him. Inexcusable? Average?

How about Keith Senior.1.3 errors per game from him. What an awful year he must have had.

You know this new fangled thing you've discovered on the Super league web site that we've all known about for years? You should actually use to it research your b[iatshi[/it looney tune opinions before you post them.

There is not a huge difference in tries. In 2006 he scored 17 from 28 games, in 2009 he scored 12 from 25 games.
There isn't that big a difference in metres when you take into account he played 3 less games.
In 2006 he made 2065 metres or 73.75m per game. In 2009 he made 1735 metres or 69.4m per game.
4m per game is not a huge difference.
The errors made is a big difference, yes.

But in 2009 he:
missed less tackles
conceded fewer penalties
made more line breaks
and bust more tackles

than in 2006, even in 3 fewer games.

He may have been slightly better in 2006, but the "far better" assertion is as much bo!!ocks as Peacock's fictious injury.

Consdering Ryan Hall

Made 1848 metres more than Donald
Scored 17 more tries
made 14 more clean breaks
made 35 more tackle busts
made 44 more tackles even though someobdy told me the oppossition attack the right more.

I would think only a dip would even try and compare the two.

As your last paragraph says, it might have been your worth researching it properly before posting, kind of makes you look silly if you don't.

Having a closed mind is never a good starting point in my experience.

Donald has every chance of having one of his best seasons for Leeds as he once again has a genuine centre at his disposal.

I don't dissagree with that tvoc, as I posted above. But a good academy prospect could equally have had a great season outside that genuine centre.

And there you go slipping around and knitting fog.

You said....."the errors is an even bigger concern. And is the very reason why I have changed my view from good winger to average. The errors in the most are inexcusable, and stick in the mind big time."

The errors Gotcha. The errors. It was you that talked about the errors. It was you that said the errors were what caused you to change your mind about Donald, rating him "average" because of the errors. It was you who said the errors were "inexcusable".

All I have done is shown those errors are not an issue at all, they're the same amount as made by Ryan Hall, Kevin Sinfield and Keith Senior.

So, what do you come up with, stats about metres made tackle busts and so on and so forth. Fog knitting at its' worst.

The errors Gotcha. Focus back on the errors that were such an issue for you and which I have shown are not an issue at all and you were, as usual, talking nonsense.

Seeing as you have knitted the fog and introduced Halls tackles into the equation how does that equate with other SL coaches attacking Donald more? Do you know why our own back to back SL winning coach moved Donald onto the right?

You want to talk about fog knitting? seriously, read the ramblings you have posted again.

It is inexcusable errors because he did little else to compensate for it. Look again at the comparison you made to Ryan Hall. Do you not see the difference? Are you really that stubborn?

As for your last statement, I think if I translate it into calm English, rathern than babbling defensive. What you are saying is that SL coaches attacked the right more than the left, which is what someone put above. Care to explain why Hall made so many more tackles than Donald then?

I am absolutely amazed that some self proclaimed expert of the game is trying to compare handling errors of a guy who handles the ball at least 20 times more per game than a winger, and who made over 30 more offloads than that winger throughtout the season, carrying the ball over 150 times more in the tackle. Sinfield is a forward FFS.

The mistake you made was obvious but lets move the discussion on to the foggy areas you've knitted.

Yes, last year Donalds stats did not bear comparison to Halls. Why do you think that might be? Do you think that might be because of Leeds predilection to attack down the left? Do you think that might be because the right winger has had no genuine, quality long term right since Chev Walker left? Did you notice the increase in Donalds' try return during the latter half of the season as Smith grew into the centre role?

Shall I tell you why I think Donald was moved to the right? Well, its' actually not what I think its' what our coach said. Donald was much better than Hall Defensively and he wanted Donald to hold Smiths' hand on the right and Senior to hold Halls' hand on the left. All four did very well in my opinion. Now, our coach clearly has a different view on DOnald to you (as is easily demonstrated by the fact that he selects him every week).

But, despite Senior being on the left Hall made more tackles? Why might that be? Might that be because teams attacked the rookie Hall more than they did Donald? Might that be because opposition coaches agree with Mclennan than Donald was a better option defensively? All of this, of course, being the exact opposite to your looney tune ramblings.

You see, even the fog you have knitted to hid the fekk up you made over Donalds' errors doesn't bear scrutiny.

I agree with that possibility and argued as such at the time but that was an argument for mid last season when Leeds were deciding who to retain, release and promote.

Fact is they retained Donald and having done so the academy prospects will now have another 12 months to wait for their opportunity at Leeds or move on for an opportunity elsewhere as Broughton chose to do. Retaining Donald and then ousting him from the squad (without good cause) is highly unlikely and I expect a big final season from him at Leeds.

You say his errors without compensation elsewhere are a problem but it was his pressured pass to Delaney that helped create the game changing score for McGuire last Friday. That was compensation enough for me on the night.

Can't believe you are still trying despite continuous holes in your argument. It sounds ridiculous. Very stubborn person.

I notice how you missed off the point about trying to compare our Loose Forwards handling errors to our winger. I was still waiting for an answer on that one.

Why have you isolated your argument to clean breaks?

Again, don't dissagree with any of that.

Not called for him ousting. Continually said he should excell outstide Delaney. Just don't think another contact should be a question for next year, it's a simple no to consider.

As for last Friday, entirely agree again, which is why I posted exactly that on Saturday, and why I said above, that I would post positive comment if deserved it.

Scott Donald is a bell-end.

WTF

That solo effort at Wakey 2 seasons ago when he chipped over and collected, scoring in front of us lot under the sticks....

.. Class.

Sir Scotty

You're the only person with holes in their argument. You make a point of how many errors he made, and state that is the primary reason for getting rid whilst dismissing his other stats. Then you move onto Halls other stats and ignore his errors.
Thats a pretty big hole in your argument.
The fact that you think an 18 year old lad playing out of position would do better than Donald shows that you obviously have some kind of axe to grind with Donald.
As evidenced by the fact that you would get rid of him regardless of his performance this season.

erm cos I wrote this

''I agree - 1st season i was waiting for him to break the line and run the length of the pitch but it never really happened for him''

to which you replied



so i think given that he only made 13 all season, or 1 every 2 games is poor

For what little its worth I thought Donald started 2006 poorly and improved to be simply competent, a level he began 2007 on but improved to finished it well. He then had a very, very good 2008 before sliding somewhat last year - but that probably says more about his role in the side last year (that Gareth mentions) than his personal form.

This year I'd expect him to have a season more akin to 2008.

Agree with most of this.
Donald was average in 2006. The fact that he was the best winger in the competition throught 2007 and 2008 doesn't hide that. This form in 07 and 08 coincided with a move to his more natural position on the left.
However when moved back to the right in 09, he was excellent for 90% of the season IMO, with only a shaky start and the (team) blip in form around Easter providing anything you could knock him for. He's a great finisher, covers line breaks against us with his pace, is relativley solid under the high ball and supports the play well.
Not sure what more we could ask for from a wing partnership to be honest, and I'm with Gareth on this, Donald is not one to be knocked.