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| Newman and Handley were our best imo. Really like the look of Newman, and on form him and Hurrell should be starters.
Merrin has been a massive disappointment so far. Absolutely terrible discipline from round 1 of SL and has not shown the leadership qualities he was supposed to have. If he is willing to leave then let him go.
Peteru, Ava and Oledzki all did ok but we are constantly losing the battle up front. Too many times the opposition make yards after contact, while we are dominated. Not seen enough from Smith to make me think he will make a top class 2nd rower,too soft in defence.
I know he went off injured earlier but Lolohea looks scared to me. Its probably the biggest criticism you can level at a player but to me he lacks bottle.
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| I disagree with the stick Merrin is getting, apart from the gobbing off (but I suppose that shows a but of passion!) he his going through a ton of work and rarely gets dominated in the tackle
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| Quote ="christopher"That’s what a stint in Union will do for a player!
FWIW I saw enough in McLelland tonight to give him a starting position from now on, yes he’s young, yes he’ll make mistakes but there is something there'"
I agree whole heartedley with you there mate. fair enough with no halves left through injury Cas had to throw Trueman in and its paid off.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"I agree whole heartedley with you there mate. fair enough with no halves left through injury Cas had to throw Trueman in and its paid off.'"
We’ve no decent halves without injuries, give him the role and let him learn I say, unless we sign a half for the rest of the season we literally cant do any worse
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| Just watching the game back, Cas’ first try in the second half was absolutely pathetic from Watkins and Myler, especially Myler.
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| Groundhog day....
Agree re McLelland - if anything letting him know he'll keep getting picked will take pressure off him because he won't be worried that one mistake will cost him his place.
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| Myler is a fraud.
Think gotcha stated that no Cas half back could produce a performance to match Mylers in the last game.
Who got motm tonight?
Absolutely clutching at straws to say the scoreline didn't reflect....We are void of confidence, have lost 8/11 games yet won at a canter without getting out of 2nd gear.
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| Singleton 5.3m per carry bettered by the 20kg lighter Donaldson again. Laughable stats again, despite doing some work in defence. Sad to say Watkins is now so bad in defence that he's being targeted as he's clearly seen as a turnstyle. Almost all Cas' tries came from desperately poor efforts on our part - not to say they wouldn't have won anyway but we just gift opposition tries through lack of line speed and team effort. There is no pride at all in our goal line defence.
The last try was almost as bad as any I've seen, as it summed up the complete lack of effort - poorish kick, line wanders up, one pass and they're through. Utter disgrace.
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| Abysmal,the attendance said it all,wake up quickly (mis)management!
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| I am never sure what people are watching when they critisize Smith defensively. I don’t think he was particular great tonight, think unlike others he is actually trying too hard. But 53 tackles in that team is not something to be sniffed at, especially in areas target by the opposition because of Watkins and Myler around him. This isn’t his first plus 50 of season either.
By the way, the short period Dwyer was on, he missed five tackles. That is pretty pathetic, and no wonder he was pulled off and not back on.
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| I thought our right side was bad with Minikin and Clare but wow. Your right side is atrocious. No idea what has happened to Watkins but he looks to have just give in. Jesse and Blair just ran them to bits with even Eden looking like a good winger.
Think you will still beat London though which will give you time to bring in a top coach.
I've no idea how Agar keeps getting jobs. Everywhere he has been he makes teams look incompetent.
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| Quote ="christopher"Just watching the game back, Cas’ first try in the second half was absolutely pathetic from Watkins and Myler, especially Myler.'"
Watkins looks finished to me.. Myler needs to go. Awful. Just awful
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| Quote ="cas all the way"I thought our right side was bad with Minikin and Clare but wow. Your right side is atrocious. No idea what has happened to Watkins but he looks to have just give in. Jesse and Blair just ran them to bits with even Eden looking like a good winger.
Think you will still beat London though which will give you time to bring in a top coach.
I've no idea how Agar keeps getting jobs. Everywhere he has been he makes teams look incompetent.'"
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Singleton 5.3m per carry bettered by the 20kg lighter Donaldson again. Laughable stats again, despite doing some work in defence. Sad to say Watkins is now so bad in defence that he's being targeted as he's clearly seen as a turnstyle. Almost all Cas' tries came from desperately poor efforts on our part - not to say they wouldn't have won anyway but we just gift opposition tries through lack of line speed and team effort. There is no pride at all in our goal line defence.
The last try was almost as bad as any I've seen, as it summed up the complete lack of effort - poorish kick, line wanders up, one pass and they're through. Utter disgrace.'"
Agreed, he's the worst of the lot for me.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Agreed, he's the worst of the lot for me.'"
Going forward yes, but again surely people can not ignore defence. I am not saying it is a reason he should be in, but 43 tackles and 2 misses is a hell of a work load to take out of the team, when it appears his replacements can’t match that level. If you meant Singleton.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"By the way, the short period Dwyer was on, he missed five tackles. That is pretty pathetic, and no wonder he was pulled off and not back on.'"
From reading the comments on here recently it seems that many Leeds fans see Dwyer as one of the few positives this year. Personally I think he is one of your biggest issues. You can't doubt his effort and enthusiasm, but he is way too erratic. Hooker is a vital position, it's not just about running from dummy half. He takes terrible options all of the time and just generally plays like a headless chicken.
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| Dwyer is a headless chicken type player. He’s ok if you need to spark things up a bit for a brief period but too often he just makes it up as he goes along and is difficult to read. In defence it’s like his brain can’t keep up with his body.
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| I said to one of our other posters, that for Brad Dwyer, think Phil Ford at Hooker...
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"I said to one of our other posters, that for Brad Dwyer, think Phil Ford at Hooker...'"
I can see the comparison. Rocks and diamonds. Not what you want in a hooker.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"I said to one of our other posters, that for Brad Dwyer, think Phil Ford at Hooker...'"
I think more back to Mick Shaw, who looked incredible at times, but just not the player you could rely on all round,
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I can see the comparison. Rocks and diamonds. Not what you want in a hooker.'"
They are, but I was thinking more like the brain doesn't know what the hands and feet will do next...
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I think more back to Mick Shaw, who looked incredible at times, but just not the player you could rely on all round,'" There's a quality young 9 in the Acadamy just awaiting a chance
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| Terrible performance against an average looking Cas side that didn`t do anything special yet still beat us comfortably.
I cannot believe how little passion or bottle Leeds now have.
Myler and Sutcliffe and Watkins were a complete waste of a jersey.
McLelland you can see has the skills but is not yet up to SL standard although I think he will get there.
Same can be said for Newman.
Smith I thought wasn`t that bad and will look better alongside Ward whenever he can get back on the pitch.
Briscoe did much better than he did against Bradford and Handley tried his best.
But unless we can get some mongrel in that pack and find another half back we will continue to battle relegation with London.
Watkins either needs to go on loan or move in to the second row and Sutcliffe and Myler need dropping.
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| Maybe you should raid the lower leagues for some mongrel? A Farrell and Fleary for 2020 wouldn't go amiss.
In fact Leeds now remind me of the 1997 side. A few useful juniors and one or two decent players but a lot of dross. Like then Hetherington needs to splash the cash for a playmaker like he did with Harris and some tough forwards to give you a harder edge.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Maybe you should raid the lower leagues for some mongrel? A Farrell and Fleary for 2020 wouldn't go amiss.
In fact Leeds now remind me of the 1997 side. A few useful juniors and one or two decent players but a lot of dross. Like then Hetherington needs to splash the cash for a playmaker like he did with Harris and some tough forwards to give you a harder edge.'"
Yes I'm reminded of that era too
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